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Old 05-28-2009, 04:07 PM
Weng Tianxiang
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Default Are Virtex-5 FPGA Handbook or Altera latest Handbooks available tosell?

Hi,
I don't like to print download version of many documents. The download
prints are huge and not easy to keep them in order.

So that I bought Virtex-4 FPGA Handbook for $10 years ago, and I want
to buy Virtex-5 FPGA Handbook too, but cannot find the related
information.

I also want to buy Altera's Data Handbook.

I will appreciate if anyone can pose the website for these books if
they are available.

Thank you.

Weng
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:29 PM
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On May 28, 11:07 am, Weng Tianxiang <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I don't like to print download version of many documents. The download
> prints are huge and not easy to keep them in order.
>
> So that I bought Virtex-4 FPGA Handbook for $10 years ago, and I want
> to buy Virtex-5 FPGA Handbook too, but cannot find the related
> information.
>
> I also want to buy Altera's Data Handbook.
>
> I will appreciate if anyone can pose the website for these books if
> they are available.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Weng


Chip makers stopped printing manuals years ago. You can often get
flyers and short brochures from salesmen, but otherwise, it is all
electronic. I think it was some ten years ago that I asked a salesman
for a printed copy and he printed it off on his printer. At that
point I gave up and came over to the dark side...

I still like my magazines in print. It is hard to drag the keyboard
and monitor into the ... uh, reading room. But even those are getting
smaller with links to "the complete article" on the web.

Rick
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:30 PM
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On May 29, 3:29*pm, rickman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 28, 11:07 am, Weng Tianxiang <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I don't like to print download version of many documents. The download
> > prints are huge and not easy to keep them in order.

>
> > So that I bought Virtex-4 FPGA Handbook for $10 years ago, and I want
> > to buy Virtex-5 FPGA Handbook too, but cannot find the related
> > information.

>
> > I also want to buy Altera's Data Handbook.

>
> > I will appreciate if anyone can pose the website for these books if
> > they are available.

>
> > Thank you.

>
> > Weng

>
> Chip makers stopped printing manuals years ago. *You can often get
> flyers and short brochures from salesmen, but otherwise, it is all
> electronic. *I think it was some ten years ago that I asked a salesman
> for a printed copy and he printed it off on his printer. *At that
> point I gave up and came over to the dark side...
>
> I still like my magazines in print. *It is hard to drag the keyboard
> and monitor into the ... uh, reading room. *But even those are getting
> smaller with links to "the complete article" on the web.
>
> Rick


Sounds like it's time to drag your web-enabled mobile PC to
the "reading room" :-)
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:57 PM
Mike Treseler
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Weng Tianxiang wrote:

> I don't like to print download version of many documents. The download
> prints are huge and not easy to keep them in order.


http://www.google.com/search?q=kindle+dx
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:40 AM
Weng Tianxiang
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On May 29, 2:57*pm, Mike Treseler <[email protected]> wrote:
> Weng Tianxiang wrote:
> > I don't like to print download version of many documents. The download
> > prints are huge and not easy to keep them in order.

>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=kindle+dx


Hi Mike,
I know you are not kidding, but after I saw the search result, I
immediately realized it may be a good idea some years later after the
electronic reader is maturized. Otherwise it would be replaced every 2
or 3 years like PC.

Weng
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:00 AM
Weng Tianxiang
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Default Re: Are Virtex-5 FPGA Handbook or Altera latest Handbooks availableto sell?

On May 29, 12:29*pm, rickman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 28, 11:07 am, Weng Tianxiang <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I don't like to print download version of many documents. The download
> > prints are huge and not easy to keep them in order.

>
> > So that I bought Virtex-4 FPGA Handbook for $10 years ago, and I want
> > to buy Virtex-5 FPGA Handbook too, but cannot find the related
> > information.

>
> > I also want to buy Altera's Data Handbook.

>
> > I will appreciate if anyone can pose the website for these books if
> > they are available.

>
> > Thank you.

>
> > Weng

>
> Chip makers stopped printing manuals years ago. *You can often get
> flyers and short brochures from salesmen, but otherwise, it is all
> electronic. *I think it was some ten years ago that I asked a salesman
> for a printed copy and he printed it off on his printer. *At that
> point I gave up and came over to the dark side...
>
> I still like my magazines in print. *It is hard to drag the keyboard
> and monitor into the ... uh, reading room. *But even those are getting
> smaller with links to "the complete article" on the web.
>
> Rick- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Hi Rick,
I have 4 versions of handbooks from Xilinx:
Virtex II Platform FPGA Handbook (v1.0), publishing date: 12/06/00;
Virtex II PRO Platform FPGA Handbook (v2.0), publishing date: October,
14, 2002;
Spartan-3 Platform FPGA Handbook (1.0), publishing date: July 11,
2003;
Virtex-4 Platform FPGA Handbook (v1.0), publishing date: 08/02/04.

They are priceless data resources and the windows to look into
Xilinx's technology develop progression.

It is very impressive to me that all books have no ISBN number and all
Xilinx handbooks have no entries in Amazon website, it means all
handbook owners don't want to sell any of them on second book markets.

Weng

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Old 05-30-2009, 02:15 AM
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"Mike Treseler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Weng Tianxiang wrote:
>
>> I don't like to print download version of many documents. The download
>> prints are huge and not easy to keep them in order.

>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=kindle+dx


A not unreasonable alternative today is to take the same $500 and buy a good
double sided network printer (HP P2015N) and a 19 ring comb binder. OTOH, I
might be just sore that I spent my $500 and did just that. For sure, either
way is faster, more convenient, and overall cheaper than sending every
document to Kinkos for printing.

I have a few reservations about the Kindle DX. If you have one and use it
for, specifically, Xilinx and similar other PDF documents, can you fill me
in on how well it's working for you? I'm mostly interested in comparing ease
of use to printed, letter size documents. Is the screen a full letter size
page in size? If not, is it reasonably easy to zoom and navigate? How easy
is it to download your documents to the device? Can you at least minimally
search the document for specific text? Does it work well with the PDF table
of contents and bookmarks? I'm not especially keen on the wireless service
charges, and would prefer to focus on its equivalence to a printed page.
Thanks.


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Old 06-01-2009, 01:35 PM
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On May 29, 9:15*pm, "MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mike Treseler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]
>
> > Weng Tianxiang wrote:

>
> >> I don't like to print download version of many documents. The download
> >> prints are huge and not easy to keep them in order.

>
> >http://www.google.com/search?q=kindle+dx

>
> A not unreasonable alternative today is to take the same $500 and buy a good
> double sided network printer (HP P2015N) and a 19 ring comb binder. OTOH,I
> might be just sore that I spent my $500 and did just that. For sure, either
> way is faster, more convenient, and overall cheaper than sending every
> document to Kinkos for printing.
>
> I have a few reservations about the Kindle DX. If you have one and use it
> for, specifically, Xilinx and similar other PDF documents, can you fill me
> in on how well it's working for you? I'm mostly interested in comparing ease
> of use to printed, letter size documents. Is the screen a full letter size
> page in size? If not, is it reasonably easy to zoom and navigate? How easy
> is it to download your documents to the device? Can you at least minimally
> search the document for specific text? Does it work well with the PDF table
> of contents and bookmarks? I'm not especially keen on the wireless service
> charges, and would prefer to focus on its equivalence to a printed page.
> Thanks.


Quite frankly I would think that the whole idea of Kindle misses
the original point of having the book in print. If you want an
electronic reader, your PC is still better than Kindle. If you
want the convenience of printed pages you can cover your desk with,
mark up, quickly scan through, etc. you still really want a print.
Maybe Xilinx is missing an opportunity to sell printed user guides,
but my guess is that the real reason printed manuals are going away
is the rate at which the data becomes obsolete or otherwise
irrelevant. One of my colleagues here likes to print the user
guides reduced to half-size thereby getting 4 pages to a sheet
of letter paper. Then bound along the long side you can see
four pages at a time. Try that on a PC screen...

Regards,
Gabor
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:44 PM
Weng Tianxiang
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On Jun 1, 5:35*am, gabor <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 29, 9:15*pm, "MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Mike Treseler" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>
> >news:[email protected]

>
> > > Weng Tianxiang wrote:

>
> > >> I don't like to print download version of many documents. The download
> > >> prints are huge and not easy to keep them in order.

>
> > >http://www.google.com/search?q=kindle+dx

>
> > A not unreasonable alternative today is to take the same $500 and buy agood
> > double sided network printer (HP P2015N) and a 19 ring comb binder. OTOH, I
> > might be just sore that I spent my $500 and did just that. For sure, either
> > way is faster, more convenient, and overall cheaper than sending every
> > document to Kinkos for printing.

>
> > I have a few reservations about the Kindle DX. If you have one and use it
> > for, specifically, Xilinx and similar other PDF documents, can you fillme
> > in on how well it's working for you? I'm mostly interested in comparingease
> > of use to printed, letter size documents. Is the screen a full letter size
> > page in size? If not, is it reasonably easy to zoom and navigate? How easy
> > is it to download your documents to the device? Can you at least minimally
> > search the document for specific text? Does it work well with the PDF table
> > of contents and bookmarks? I'm not especially keen on the wireless service
> > charges, and would prefer to focus on its equivalence to a printed page..
> > Thanks.

>
> Quite frankly I would think that the whole idea of Kindle misses
> the original point of having the book in print. *If you want an
> electronic reader, your PC is still better than Kindle. *If you
> want the convenience of printed pages you can cover your desk with,
> mark up, quickly scan through, etc. you still really want a print.
> Maybe Xilinx is missing an opportunity to sell printed user guides,
> but my guess is that the real reason printed manuals are going away
> is the rate at which the data becomes obsolete or otherwise
> irrelevant. *One of my colleagues here likes to print the user
> guides reduced to half-size thereby getting 4 pages to a sheet
> of letter paper. *Then bound along the long side you can see
> four pages at a time. *Try that on a PC screen...
>
> Regards,
> Gabor- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Hi,
I searched the website for FPGA Handbook and found two used books from
Xilinx:
http://www.findbookprices.com/search...=FPGA+handbook

One is Spartan-3 Platform FPGA Handbook; another is Virtex-II Pro
Platform FPGA Handbook.

What surprised me is their asking prices for those used books: $99.99
+ $3.95 mailing fee each.

Weng



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Old 06-01-2009, 06:47 PM
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"gabor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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One of my colleagues here likes to print the user
guides reduced to half-size thereby getting 4 pages to a sheet
of letter paper. Then bound along the long side you can see
four pages at a time. Try that on a PC screen...

======
Try that past your 46th birtday. And yes, as strange as it sounds, the
apparent disorder of stacked and piled documents and detritus on desktops
and workbenches have significance and utility to their makers. One of the
conclusions of a Microsoft study is that the folder heirarchy suits the
computer, not the user.


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