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Old 10-20-2009, 07:07 PM
nobody
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Default Teammates, interested?

Is anyone in this group interested in forming a team of loosely
collected engineers, not of exclusivity but of mutual benefit? I work
alone and have been successful in a few endeavors, but at this pace
things are becoming excruciating. I am thinking that a team could
generate a robust solution to a problem at an accelerated rate by
combining resources of its members. I find myself isolated and need to
reach out to prevent myself from sinking. I am not looking to drag
anyone else down, but am reaching out for stability and stabilization.
Words sometimes really miss the point I am trying to make.
Anyone know what I am talking about.

Sincerely,

Cy Drollinger

Electronic Realization L.L.C.
Bozeman, MT
[email protected]
406-586-5502
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:04 PM
Jon Slaughter
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nobody wrote:
> Is anyone in this group interested in forming a team of loosely
> collected engineers, not of exclusivity but of mutual benefit? I work
> alone and have been successful in a few endeavors, but at this pace
> things are becoming excruciating. I am thinking that a team could
> generate a robust solution to a problem at an accelerated rate by
> combining resources of its members. I find myself isolated and need to
> reach out to prevent myself from sinking. I am not looking to drag
> anyone else down, but am reaching out for stability and stabilization.
> Words sometimes really miss the point I am trying to make.
> Anyone know what I am talking about.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Cy Drollinger
>
> Electronic Realization L.L.C.
> Bozeman, MT
> [email protected]
> 406-586-5502


I was thinking something similar on a global scale. An organization of
scientists who would group together and work on common problems. People who
"request" problems to be solved. The idea would be similar to massive
computing but with humans instead. By having a proper way to organize
communications it could be very powerful. The organization would be more
towards theoretical problems but potentially could be for practical issues.
For example, a company could put out a work order for solving a problem.
It's not necessarily about money of course but about giving people the
ability to work together. There is power in numbers...

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Old 10-20-2009, 10:29 PM
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Default Re: Teammates, interested?

If such organization ever takes place I would recommend stric
implementation of guidelines for coding (like STARC VHDL desing rules
Aldec ALINT) and documentation (doxigen), so we could all understand eac
other easily.

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Old 10-20-2009, 11:51 PM
Jon Slaughter
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Default Re: Teammates, interested?

ElVale wrote:
> If such organization ever takes place I would recommend strict
> implementation of guidelines for coding (like STARC VHDL desing rules,
> Aldec ALINT) and documentation (doxigen), so we could all understand
> each other easily.


Well, it's just an idea I had. It would have to be setup in a very specific
manner so that it would function optimally. The goal would be a sort of
"global" research center where not only similar scientists could work on
projects but communicate with other scientists. So, for example, if one
group of scientists are working on some project that requires solving some
advanced mathematical problem they could request a group of mathematicians
to help them work on it. A group of mathematicians could create a project
for solving some unsolved math problem. Anyone in the world, that is a
member, could join the project if they allow him.


But it wouldn't simply be a "myspace" for scientists but a complete method
for scientific research. One could have an offshoot for more practical
things such as working on things such as software or whatever. It would be a
one-stop-shop for like minded and intelligent people to work together.




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Old 10-21-2009, 05:49 PM
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Whoa! let me reign this coach back! I am one man, educated in the
Gallatin Valley with an MSEE. I am having trouble keeping my doors
open in case a client who happens to have cash needs my ability to
solve the problem. Talking about scientists of world caliber and
mathematicians having advanced formulas needing to be calculated is
not even in the stadium of where I was thinking about playing,
period.
There exists problems needing solutions to which I have the skill set,
but pairing these items is not something I have had success. I exist
and I realize their are others that are experiencing the same, with
slightly or wildly different skill sets. Alone I can get things done
and have for a small set of clients, but together, even world wide,
with the internet we could do much more. Let me provide one scenario
that might be a quick and easy idea. I have an account on GURU.com
which tries to pair work to workers, but I look like every other
individual on the sight, India, Canada, and Wherever, so why choose
me? Now if a collection of individuals got together and developed an
account it looks more like a firm many hands producing on the capital
someone spends to get the job done. That is actually the way it works
together we get the job done quick and capable. But that is one idea
among one individual, now put several individuals together and see
what we can get done.
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:42 AM
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I am interested but this is very difficult. expecially doing it via the web.
How do you know the other people are competent ? How do you know
they can deliver ? How do I know you can do your part ?
It's possible but highly unlikely.

"nobody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Whoa! let me reign this coach back! I am one man, educated in the
> Gallatin Valley with an MSEE. I am having trouble keeping my doors
> open in case a client who happens to have cash needs my ability to
> solve the problem. Talking about scientists of world caliber and
> mathematicians having advanced formulas needing to be calculated is
> not even in the stadium of where I was thinking about playing,
> period.
> There exists problems needing solutions to which I have the skill set,
> but pairing these items is not something I have had success. I exist
> and I realize their are others that are experiencing the same, with
> slightly or wildly different skill sets. Alone I can get things done
> and have for a small set of clients, but together, even world wide,
> with the internet we could do much more. Let me provide one scenario
> that might be a quick and easy idea. I have an account on GURU.com
> which tries to pair work to workers, but I look like every other
> individual on the sight, India, Canada, and Wherever, so why choose
> me? Now if a collection of individuals got together and developed an
> account it looks more like a firm many hands producing on the capital
> someone spends to get the job done. That is actually the way it works
> together we get the job done quick and capable. But that is one idea
> among one individual, now put several individuals together and see
> what we can get done.



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Old 10-22-2009, 07:29 AM
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I assume the original poster was targeting commercial
ventures ?

Some history ...

This has been attempted at OpenCOres.org. When I was still
contributing to OpenCores (some 10 years ago), I too had
this ideological view of a community of like minded people
who would attempt to solve various problems.

Very quickly, we realized that it was virtually impossible
to do this in a "non-profit" way. One problem we faced where
quality tools. We did receive a very kind donation from
Cadance, in form of licenses for their NC-Verilog suite, I
am still very grateful for that, even though the licenses
where only very short time. Also, support became an issue
when some users demanded support and bug fixes in a timely
manner and to their satisfaction.

There where attempts to create a "paid for" group. Flextronics
Semiconductor retained a bunch of developers from OpenCores
to develop free IPs, which it would use in it's SoC. That
however, created somewhat of a conflict of interest. Even though
Flextronics tried to be neutral, and let the developers do
what they wanted, it was not realistic and eventually failed
as well.

The only way a co-op as suggested by the OP could work (IMHO)
is if it is commercial with clear legal agreements and properly
structured. These days I am actually implementing a structure
as described by the OP. In my case, I have no desire to grow
my company beyond what I can manage by myself. Never the less,
often times my workload is far beyond of what I can handle
alone, and I sub-contract excess work.

So to take the OPs idea, what might be a useful thing to have
is a database of various people with their capabilities ...

Cheers,
rudi
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Old 10-25-2009, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: Teammates, interested?

luudee pisze:
> I assume the original poster was targeting commercial
> ventures ?
>
> Some history ...
>
> This has been attempted at OpenCOres.org. When I was still
> contributing to OpenCores (some 10 years ago), I too had
> this ideological view of a community of like minded people
> who would attempt to solve various problems.


[...]

Yuup, you right Rudi.
Our job - FPGA - is to specific to work in large virtual teams.

Knowledge base is usenet I mean "comp.arch.fpga" and others.

There is www.odesk.com for freelancers, but no one want to trust
engineers somewhere, when the product of our job must be embeded in
specific hardware.

IMHO, there is no sense to create new websites, new forums etc.

But idea to create "open" database of people who have experience in our
profession is great.
It could be not nice for head hunters but, everyone can introduce how
and wherever he/she likes.

Regards,

Jerzy Gbur
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Old 10-28-2009, 08:12 PM
Svenn Are Bjerkem
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Default Re: Teammates, interested?

On Oct 21, 5:49*pm, nobody <[email protected]> wrote:

> me? Now if a collection of individuals got together and developed an
> account it looks more like a firm many hands producing on the capital
> someone spends to get the job done. That is actually the way it works
> together we get the job done quick and capable. But that is one idea
> among one individual, now put several individuals together and see
> what we can get done.


How would you make sure that every team member got his/her fair share
of the revenue?
How would licensing of necessary tools be made? What about lab
testing? Production and distribution of evaluation boards? How will
NDAs be handled?

I am a simple salaryman, but I see how big the bucks are in FPGA
programming. I would really like to have a piece of that cake, but it
is safer to stay in a paid job than taking the risk of self-employment
even though my FPGA coding make my company rich and prosperous. I
would join your team, but I would not give up my regular job and that
is going to limit me. I can't work on things that would be in direct
competition to my employer, all my code would be tainted, and sooner
or later I would face legal actions if I get too successful as a
contributor. I think your idea is good and even if others have failed
that is not a reason to not try to make it work.

Good luck and thumbs up,
--
Svenn
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