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Old 04-19-2005, 06:25 PM
Rudolf Usselmann
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Default Linux, ISE 7.1, problems, problems, problems ....



ok, ok we've beaten this subject to death already ....

I just had this really radical and crazy idea:

XILINX, how about a BETA program ? I mean one before you burn
the CDs and make a product announcement and we are stuck with
a useless plastic disc.

If I look at all the issues that people are having with 7.1,
they are all so trivial and easy to to solve (include a few
libs, distribute a statically linked setup program, etc.).

I'm sure a few of us with subscription would volunteer to test
drive a pre-release version of your s/w. - I know I would.

Wouldn't that be much nicer than shipping Beta software and
having everybody whine and complain ???

Wouldn't it be nicer if people would post messages expressing
their joy how easy and functional the s/w upgrade was ?

All you need is a dozen or so beta testers. Don't tell me thats
more work than to creating all the work around and answer records
and all the support calls ....

As I said, a very radical idea !

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Old 04-20-2005, 01:05 AM
Uwe Bonnes
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Default Re: Linux, ISE 7.1, problems, problems, problems ....

Rudolf Usselmann <[email protected]> wrote:


> ok, ok we've beaten this subject to death already ....


> I just had this really radical and crazy idea:


> XILINX, how about a BETA program ? I mean one before you burn
> the CDs and make a product announcement and we are stuck with
> a useless plastic disc.


> If I look at all the issues that people are having with 7.1,
> they are all so trivial and easy to to solve (include a few
> libs, distribute a statically linked setup program, etc.).


> I'm sure a few of us with subscription would volunteer to test
> drive a pre-release version of your s/w. - I know I would.


> Wouldn't that be much nicer than shipping Beta software and
> having everybody whine and complain ???


> Wouldn't it be nicer if people would post messages expressing
> their joy how easy and functional the s/w upgrade was ?


> All you need is a dozen or so beta testers. Don't tell me thats
> more work than to creating all the work around and answer records
> and all the support calls ....


> As I said, a very radical idea !


And a good one.

But I fear that nobody from the ISE programming department reads here
:-(

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Old 04-20-2005, 01:52 AM
Symon
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Default Re: Linux, ISE 7.1, problems, problems, problems ....

"Uwe Bonnes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> But I fear that nobody from the ISE programming department reads here
> :-(
>

I know somewhere else they don't read...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_testing

;-)

Cheers, Syms.


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Old 04-20-2005, 02:40 AM
John Williams
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Default Re: Linux, ISE 7.1, problems, problems, problems ....

Hi Rudi,

Rudolf Usselmann wrote:

> XILINX, how about a BETA program ? I mean one before you burn
> the CDs and make a product announcement and we are stuck with
> a useless plastic disc.


There is sort of such a thing, it's called the early access program.
Contact Xilinx directly, then get ready for multi-gigabyte downloads in
the months leading up to a tool release!

I'm not sure though what channels are provided for early access members
to feedback directly to the SW development teams - you certainly don't
want to go through the hotline on that!

> I'm sure a few of us with subscription would volunteer to test
> drive a pre-release version of your s/w. - I know I would.


I think there's a catch-22 here - people doing production designs are
often (and understandably) reluctant to install a "beta" version of the
tools, for fear it will break their current workflows.

However, without having the beta tools tested on real designs, Xilinx
won't get any feedback on things that are broken.

A real beta test program is a lot more rigourous than a few volunteers
offering to maybe try out the tools on some of their designs - because
you aren't paying these people, you can't force them to actually do
anything useful for you.

Not sure what the solution is though...

John
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