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Old 10-22-2003, 10:45 AM
Andreas Holz
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Default Beginners advice for selecting an environment for FPGA design

Hello all,

I'm thinking about a project to reimplement old processor designs
(Symbolics Lisp-machines or a Control-Data cyber 17x, 18x in a chip)
using modern programmable hardware, e.g. FPGA's.

The complete hardware documentation for these platform is available.

My knowledge in this task in not up-to-date, as I've not been working
on hardware design for almost ten years (onyl software!).

I would like to get some suggestions about a FPGA Development
environment and programming system to use for this task. Any other
suggestions or links to similar projects are very welcome.

If there are other people interested in such kind of project, please
contact me directly.

This is not a commercial project!

Andreas
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Old 10-22-2003, 02:37 PM
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Default Re: Beginners advice for selecting an environment for FPGA design

Andreas Holz wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm thinking about a project to reimplement old processor designs
> (Symbolics Lisp-machines or a Control-Data cyber 17x, 18x in a chip)
> using modern programmable hardware, e.g. FPGA's.
>
> The complete hardware documentation for these platform is available.
>
> My knowledge in this task in not up-to-date, as I've not been working
> on hardware design for almost ten years (onyl software!).
>
> I would like to get some suggestions about a FPGA Development
> environment and programming system to use for this task. Any other
> suggestions or links to similar projects are very welcome.
>
> If there are other people interested in such kind of project, please
> contact me directly.
>
> This is not a commercial project!
>
> Andreas


This would be an interesting project and might even make a good project
for an advanced class in processor design. If I am not mistaken, there
is a web site or sites where others are working on similar projects. I
have seen projects on PDP-xx machines as well as others. Certainly this
is not a difficult task.

I would recommend that you find a board using a Xilinx FPGA since they
provide more complete design tools for free. The current Altera tools
do not include an HDL simulator. I am assumming of course that you
intend to use an HDL, and I also recommend it.

Here is a list of some FPGA board vendors...

http://www.fpga-faq.com/FPGA_Boards.shtml

Do a Google search on this and find some of the individuals doing
similar projects. I am sure they can give you some good advice.

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Ignore the reply address. To email me use the above address with the XY
removed.

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Specializing in DSP and FPGA design URL http://www.arius.com
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Old 10-22-2003, 10:07 PM
Martin Euredjian
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Default Re: Beginners advice for selecting an environment for FPGA design

Also, search this newsgroup using "beginner" to find threads with ideas on
how to get started. There was a recent one where sort of listed a suggested
set of steps to get going.


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"Andreas Holz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
> Hello all,
>
> I'm thinking about a project to reimplement old processor designs
> (Symbolics Lisp-machines or a Control-Data cyber 17x, 18x in a chip)
> using modern programmable hardware, e.g. FPGA's.
>
> The complete hardware documentation for these platform is available.
>
> My knowledge in this task in not up-to-date, as I've not been working
> on hardware design for almost ten years (onyl software!).
>
> I would like to get some suggestions about a FPGA Development
> environment and programming system to use for this task. Any other
> suggestions or links to similar projects are very welcome.
>
> If there are other people interested in such kind of project, please
> contact me directly.
>
> This is not a commercial project!
>
> Andreas



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Old 10-28-2003, 06:34 AM
Chris Balough
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Default Re: Beginners advice for selecting an environment for FPGA design

Just to provide some clarification on one of Rick's comments below, an
HDL simulation package *is* included with one of our Quartus II
subscriptions at no additional cost. Specifically, we provide Model
TechnologyÖ ModelSim«-Altera for VHDL or Verilog HDL simulation. Have
a look at http://www.altera.com/products/softw...scription.html
for more details.

Hope this helps.

Chris Balough
Director, Software and Tools Marketing
Altera Corp.
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rickman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Andreas Holz wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm thinking about a project to reimplement old processor designs
> > (Symbolics Lisp-machines or a Control-Data cyber 17x, 18x in a chip)
> > using modern programmable hardware, e.g. FPGA's.
> >
> > The complete hardware documentation for these platform is available.
> >
> > My knowledge in this task in not up-to-date, as I've not been working
> > on hardware design for almost ten years (onyl software!).
> >
> > I would like to get some suggestions about a FPGA Development
> > environment and programming system to use for this task. Any other
> > suggestions or links to similar projects are very welcome.
> >
> > If there are other people interested in such kind of project, please
> > contact me directly.
> >
> > This is not a commercial project!
> >
> > Andreas

>
> This would be an interesting project and might even make a good project
> for an advanced class in processor design. If I am not mistaken, there
> is a web site or sites where others are working on similar projects. I
> have seen projects on PDP-xx machines as well as others. Certainly this
> is not a difficult task.
>
> I would recommend that you find a board using a Xilinx FPGA since they
> provide more complete design tools for free. The current Altera tools
> do not include an HDL simulator. I am assumming of course that you
> intend to use an HDL, and I also recommend it.
>
> Here is a list of some FPGA board vendors...
>
> http://www.fpga-faq.com/FPGA_Boards.shtml
>
> Do a Google search on this and find some of the individuals doing
> similar projects. I am sure they can give you some good advice.
>
> --
>
> Rick "rickman" Collins
>
> [email protected]
> Ignore the reply address. To email me use the above address with the XY
> removed.
>
> Arius - A Signal Processing Solutions Company
> Specializing in DSP and FPGA design URL http://www.arius.com
> 4 King Ave 301-682-7772 Voice
> Frederick, MD 21701-3110 301-682-7666 FAX

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Old 10-28-2003, 11:45 AM
Martin Thompson
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Default Re: Beginners advice for selecting an environment for FPGA design

[email protected] (Chris Balough) writes:

> Just to provide some clarification on one of Rick's comments below, an
> HDL simulation package *is* included with one of our Quartus II
> subscriptions at no additional cost. Specifically, we provide Model
> Technology┬×╣ ModelSim┬«-Altera for VHDL or Verilog HDL simulation. Have
> a look at http://www.altera.com/products/softw...scription.html
> for more details.
>


To further calrify (:-) - I think Rick's point was that of the "free"
tools, Webpack offers Modelsim-XE whereas Quartus offers the built-in
simulator only. Unless that's changed since I last looked?

Martin.

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