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Old 05-25-2006, 11:39 PM
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Default Altium Livedesign eval boards - can you add a configuration prom?

I've been eyeing the Altium Livedesigner evaluation boards as a
potentially cheap way to get a reasonably powerful FPGA board to play
with. Either the Altera or Xilinx board seem to have decent size parts,
and plenty of accessories - especially for $99

http://www.altium.com/Community/Live...luationBoards/

The problem is that neither have a configuration memory - which is
understandable given the target audience.

I'm curious if anyone owns one, and has looked to see if the necessary
configuration pins are brought out anywhere. The schematic for the
Xilinx version shows that all but the din and init_b signals should be
available at either resistors or LED's. Not sure what the red lines
mean in the schematic. They could be direct vias to either ground or
VCC, or test points.

Has anyone attempted to add a configuration PROM to either of these
boards?

Thanks!

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Old 05-26-2006, 06:48 AM
Antti
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Default Re: Altium Livedesign eval boards - can you add a configuration prom?

you can alway add a 1.5 USD MCU and 2 USD flash and have the config
done over jtag

Antti

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Old 05-27-2006, 11:35 PM
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Default Re: Altium Livedesign eval boards - can you add a configuration prom?

> I'm curious if anyone owns one, and has looked to see if the necessary
> configuration pins are brought out anywhere.


I had the same idea, but at least in the Cyclone version of the
board there's no way to reach them (and I think they're directly
connected to a GND plane). The boards are a good buy anyway. I use one as
a multi-purpose peripheral (playground) attached to a Coldfire CPU board
(which does initial configuration via JTAG/LPT port). Other boards with
fewer connectors (and less displays) are available from other vendors,
those are better suited for standalone operation.

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Old 06-04-2006, 10:36 AM
Alex Gibson
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Default Re: Altium Livedesign eval boards - can you add a configuration prom?


"radarman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
> I've been eyeing the Altium Livedesigner evaluation boards as a
> potentially cheap way to get a reasonably powerful FPGA board to play
> with. Either the Altera or Xilinx board seem to have decent size parts,
> and plenty of accessories - especially for $99
>
> http://www.altium.com/Community/Live...luationBoards/
>
> The problem is that neither have a configuration memory - which is
> understandable given the target audience.
>
> I'm curious if anyone owns one, and has looked to see if the necessary
> configuration pins are brought out anywhere. The schematic for the
> Xilinx version shows that all but the din and init_b signals should be
> available at either resistors or LED's. Not sure what the red lines
> mean in the schematic. They could be direct vias to either ground or
> VCC, or test points.
>
> Has anyone attempted to add a configuration PROM to either of these
> boards?
>
> Thanks!


You can use the Tony Burch expansion
modules - config prom etc via the user headers
I haven't tried this myself.

Altium gives a link to Tony's products via third party plugin io modules
http://www.altium.com/Community/Live...luationBoards/

Interesting to see that the next version of altium designer is going to need
a 3d graphics card
http://www.altium.com/Evaluate/DEMOc...raphicsEngine/
Note that the graphics engine requires a graphics card that supports
DirectX® 9.0c and Shader Model 3.0.

Work isn't renewing our altium licenses , switching to Eagle instead for
pcbs.

Does anyone have or know of pin constraints / ucf files for both xilinx
and altera live design boards ?


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Old 06-11-2006, 02:45 PM
Daniel O'Connor
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Alex Gibson wrote:
> Altium gives a link to Tony's products via third party plugin io modules
> http://www.altium.com/Community/Live...luationBoards/


You might want to be careful assuming they work..
The example project for the Memc/Avent Spartan 3 board doesn't work for me
and I have had quite a number of support emails back and forth but no
progress yet (and they don't actually have the board anymore). Can't say it
inspires me to buy it when the demo version doesn't work on a board they
have allegedly tested with..

> Note that the graphics engine requires a graphics card that supports
> DirectX® 9.0c and Shader Model 3.0.


Seems pretty dumb they don't have a GDI fallback (since they already have it
written and debugged)

> Work isn't renewing our altium licenses , switching to Eagle instead for
> pcbs.


Yeah given Altium's apparent inability to fix bugs in their software or come
up with half decent licensing models I am not surprised

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