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Hi Steven,

Since you're back, can you refresh us on Spartan3E availability?

Luiz Carlos.

P.S. Supposing "Steve Knapp" and "Steven K. Knapp" are the same person,
which one is right?

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> Hi Steven,
>
> Since you're back, can you refresh us on Spartan3E availability?
>
> Luiz Carlos.
>
> P.S. Supposing "Steve Knapp" and "Steven K. Knapp" are the same person,
> which one is right?
>

Its soon mid August not long til September so I guess a statement made in
April/May
by "Antti Lukats" (that is me): "no S3e general availability before Sep
2005" is valid.

No matter what Xilinx related people have said in the meanwhile.

I hoped to be wrong, but there is no prove so far. S3e is not generically
avaialble and I dont
think the situation is going to change within next weeks, and then its
september already
what makes my initial statement more correct than the other statements about
s3e availability.

Antti

>> Hi Steven,
>>
>> Since you're back, can you refresh us on Spartan3E availability?
>>
>> Luiz Carlos.
>>
> Its soon mid August not long til September so I guess a statement made in
> April/May
> by "Antti Lukats" (that is me): "no S3e general availability before Sep
> 2005" is valid.
>
> No matter what Xilinx related people have said in the meanwhile.
>
> I hoped to be wrong, but there is no prove so far. S3e is not generically
> avaialble and I dont
> think the situation is going to change within next weeks, and then its
> september already
> what makes my initial statement more correct than the other statements
> about
> s3e availability.
>
> Antti
>

Hi Antti, Luiz,

I can luckily tell that I have a S3-500E running in a own design. There is a
ERIC5 inside, executing C-code, everything looks fine up to now :-) However,
I do not know how the general situation is (as I did not get as many parts
as I wanted, too). Also I do not know how the situation of the other S3Es
is.

Thomas

www.entner-electronics.com

Thanks. Yes, I'm back although via Google (which has it's own
advantages).

XC3S100E and XC3S500E samples are generally available today. If you
are having a problem obtaining them after placing an order, please let
me know.

Samples of the rest of the family are through September and October.

---------------------------------
Steven K. Knapp
Applications Manager, Xilinx Inc.
General Products Division
Spartan-3/-3E FPGAs
http://www.xilinx.com/spartan3e
---------------------------------
The Spartan(tm)-3 Generation: The World's Lowest-Cost FPGAs.

"Steve Knapp (Xilinx Spartan-3 Generation FPGAs)" <[email protected]>
schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Thanks. Yes, I'm back although via Google (which has it's own
> advantages).
>
> XC3S100E and XC3S500E samples are generally available today. If you
> are having a problem obtaining them after placing an order, please let
> me know.
>
> Samples of the rest of the family are through September and October.
>
> ---------------------------------
> Steven K. Knapp
> Applications Manager, Xilinx Inc.
> General Products Division
> Spartan-3/-3E FPGAs
> http://www.xilinx.com/spartan3e
> ---------------------------------
> The Spartan(tm)-3 Generation: The World's Lowest-Cost FPGAs.
>

Hi Steven

I just checked Xilinx web store, Spartan-3e is not there.
When it is to be expected to be available ??

What disties say I do know, they will quote standard leadtimes,
and that means that even though you can place order today the
actual parts will not arrive until september.
And september was what I have forecasted all the time for availability.

Nuhorizons, S3-100e, lead time 5 weeks, end of september!
Digikey: no S3 at all
Xilinx Online: no S3E
Avnet: s3-100e, ENGINEERING SAMPLE ONLY , no stock or call, that means NO
AVAIL, no leadtime known
s3-500e, ENGINEERING SAMPLE ONLY , no stock, that means NO
AVAIL, no leadtime known
Memec has been purchased by Avnet so no sense to check.

So where is the general availabiluty ??


Antti

Hi Antti,

I agree with you that Xilinx availability-announcements are always more or
less over-optimistic. However, I think you are bit unfair, you should not
mix "availability" with "on-stock-delivery". Many well established products
have delivery-times of several weeks, but you would not say that all these
products are not available. I can remember times, just some years ago, when
I ordered 1k-0603-resistors at Farnell and got a delivery-time of allmost a
year... (OK, you can call THAT not available... ;-)

Also I think that it would be a good idea to contact a distributor if you
want to use a brand new product. They can contact Xilinx and discuss your
need. This process will not happen when you simply look on a web-site, of
course. Also, a delivery time of 5 weeks is normally no problem for new
designs, as long as it is guaranteed. You will need this 5 weeks anyway for
design and PCB-production.

Thomas


"Antti Lukats" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> "Steve Knapp (Xilinx Spartan-3 Generation FPGAs)" <[email protected]>
> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>> Thanks. Yes, I'm back although via Google (which has it's own
>> advantages).
>>
>> XC3S100E and XC3S500E samples are generally available today. If you
>> are having a problem obtaining them after placing an order, please let
>> me know.
>>
>> Samples of the rest of the family are through September and October.
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Steven K. Knapp
>> Applications Manager, Xilinx Inc.
>> General Products Division
>> Spartan-3/-3E FPGAs
>> http://www.xilinx.com/spartan3e
>> ---------------------------------
>> The Spartan(tm)-3 Generation: The World's Lowest-Cost FPGAs.
>>
>
> Hi Steven
>
> I just checked Xilinx web store, Spartan-3e is not there.
> When it is to be expected to be available ??
>
> What disties say I do know, they will quote standard leadtimes,
> and that means that even though you can place order today the
> actual parts will not arrive until september.
> And september was what I have forecasted all the time for availability.
>
> Nuhorizons, S3-100e, lead time 5 weeks, end of september!
> Digikey: no S3 at all
> Xilinx Online: no S3E
> Avnet: s3-100e, ENGINEERING SAMPLE ONLY , no stock or call, that means NO
> AVAIL, no leadtime known
> s3-500e, ENGINEERING SAMPLE ONLY , no stock, that means NO
> AVAIL, no leadtime known
> Memec has been purchased by Avnet so no sense to check.
>
> So where is the general availabiluty ??
>
>
> Antti
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Thomas Entner" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Hi Antti,
>
> I agree with you that Xilinx availability-announcements are always more or
> less over-optimistic. However, I think you are bit unfair, you should not
> mix "availability" with "on-stock-delivery". Many well established
products
> have delivery-times of several weeks, but you would not say that all these
> products are not available. I can remember times, just some years ago,
when
> I ordered 1k-0603-resistors at Farnell and got a delivery-time of allmost
a
> year... (OK, you can call THAT not available... ;-)
>
> Also I think that it would be a good idea to contact a distributor if you
> want to use a brand new product. They can contact Xilinx and discuss your
> need. This process will not happen when you simply look on a web-site, of
> course. Also, a delivery time of 5 weeks is normally no problem for new
> designs, as long as it is guaranteed. You will need this 5 weeks anyway
for
> design and PCB-production.
>
> Thomas
>

partially agree, but I would call general availability the date when first
'normal'
customer who placed small volume order to some disti actually receives the
parts.
Not the day hes order was accepted.

And to my understanding from that point of view there is no S3e general
availabiliy
before septemer (or maybe late late August).

If some customer did manage to get the parts earlier it doesnt change
anything.
General means just anyone who placed regulart order will get the parts
without the need to specially escalate the order processing.

BTW, if General Availability is now, that means there was there
some availability earlier, but in that case there S3e evaluation boards
should be shipping already, but they are not.

Ok, I am unfair maybe.

here some advice to Xilinx:

with any new products send a first batch of silicon to the disties
and announce general availability after confirmation that the
parcel is arrived at disti stock. or make the device available
(even for samples only) at Xilinx webshop.

Thats not a hard thing todo, but avoid PITA comments
as those of mine in the future.

Antti

Hi Antti,

At the moment, only engineering samples are available. Your favorite
Xilinx distributor should be able to help you obtain XC3S100E or
XC3S500E samples. These two part numbers are generally available.
However, for a variety of reasons, distributors do not like to stock
engineering samples so they generally will show some amount of lead
time and place the order with Xilinx.

I'm working with internal groups to see how we can put Spartan-3E FPGAs
on the Xilinx online store. I agree that this should be easier than it
is currently.
---------------------------------
Steven K. Knapp
Applications Manager, Xilinx Inc.
General Products Division
Spartan-3/-3E FPGAs
http://www.xilinx.com/spartan3e
---------------------------------
The Spartan(tm)-3 Generation: The World's Lowest-Cost FPGAs.

Steve Knapp of Xilinx wrote:
> However, for a variety of reasons, distributors do not like to stock
> engineering samples so they generally will show some amount of lead
> time and place the order with Xilinx.

The Xilinx Online Store doesn't seem to like to stock parts (either
production or ES). As of August 31, all Spartan-3 parts are listed
as "out of stock" or "shipping in 3-4 weeks".

Still, I'm glad that there is an easy-to-use low-volume purchasing
option, even if I do have to wait a month. I hope you're successful
at getting some Spartan-3e parts into the online store.

Eric