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Some days ago Xilinx did workshops in many european states.
Why Italy was excluded?

"Valeria Dal Monte" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<9qkbb.335067$[email protected] >...
> Some days ago Xilinx did workshops in many european states.
> Why Italy was excluded?

No workshops in UK either

> > Some days ago Xilinx did workshops in many european states.
> > Why Italy was excluded?
>
> No workshops in UK either

Gentlemen,

Altera is offering a summer workshop series for designers as well. The
current schedule (for Europe) includes sessions in Milan on October
30, and in Bedfordshire on November 20. You can view the program and
enroll to attend online:
http://www.altera.com/education/even...p?xy=sopc_algh

Jesse Kempa
Altera Corp.
jkempa at altera dot com

"Valeria Dal Monte" <[email protected]> writes:

> Some days ago Xilinx did workshops in many european states.
> Why Italy was excluded?
>

A few years ago Peter Alfke told me that Italy represents a rather
small share of the European market for Xilinx. I guess that's the reason...

-Arrigo

"Valeria Dal Monte" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Some days ago Xilinx did workshops in many european
> states.
> Why Italy was excluded?

Well, if you think that some multinationals put Italy into their SEMEA
division (South Europe, Middle Europe and Africa), you can guess. We are
considered just like Bulgaria or Libia and, with all the respect for
these countries, I think we could deserve a little more.

--
Lorenzo

"Lorenzo Lutti" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<O6Hcb.347818$[email protected] >...
> "Valeria Dal Monte" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:9qkbb.335067$[email protected] ..
>
> > Some days ago Xilinx did workshops in many european
> > states.
> > Why Italy was excluded?
>
> Well, if you think that some multinationals put Italy into their SEMEA
> division (South Europe, Middle Europe and Africa), you can guess. We are
> considered just like Bulgaria or Libia and, with all the respect for
> these countries, I think we could deserve a little more.

Lorenzo,

I think it is not a matter of Libia or Bulgaria or other countries: if
the FPGA market in Italy can't swallow enough chips, then
Altera/Xilinx/XYZ will simply neglect this market. I can understand
their position.

Luca Ponte

"nameiswolf" <nameiswolf[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> I think it is not a matter of Libia or Bulgaria or other
> countries: if
> the FPGA market in Italy can't swallow enough chips, then
> Altera/Xilinx/XYZ will simply neglect this market. I can
> understand
> their position.

Good point, but this seems a little like the story of the chicken and
the egg (I don't know if the anglo-saxon people are familiar with it, I
will explain if needed ). How can the FPGA companies expect some
interest from Italy, if they don't invest a penny in creating this
interest?

FPGA are without any doubt an interesting matter, at least more
interesting than the average of what you study at the university; I have
graduated completely unaware of their potentials, and I've had to learn
them by myself, but many others won't (and the older, "classic"
electronics engineers consider FPGA a thing completely out of their
jurisdiction). The only way to spread FPGA knowledge is to teach them
directly into the universities. FPGA and DSP are almost an unknown
matter in the italian universities; it would take nothing for a giant
like Xilinx or Altera to invest some spare money to "help" creating new
italian engineers interested in FPGA.

--
Lorenzo

Hey Lorenzo,

It is incredible that in response to an inquiry about
technical workshops you found it appropriate to insult
some countries (in fact whole regions!; even continents!!),
and state little else. Way to approach the problem !

Ljubisa Bajic
ATI Technologies
--- My opinions do not represent those of my employers ---


"Lorenzo Lutti" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<O6Hcb.347818$[email protected] >...
> "Valeria Dal Monte" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:9qkbb.335067$[email protected] ..
>
> > Some days ago Xilinx did workshops in many european
> > states.
> > Why Italy was excluded?
>
> Well, if you think that some multinationals put Italy into their SEMEA
> division (South Europe, Middle Europe and Africa), you can guess. We are
> considered just like Bulgaria or Libia and, with all the respect for
> these countries, I think we could deserve a little more.

"Ljubisa Bajic" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[email protected] m...

> It is incredible that in response to an inquiry about
> technical workshops you found it appropriate to insult
> some countries (in fact whole regions!; even
> continents!!),

Insult?! I have simply said that some multinationals consider Italy
(from a *business* point of view) just like countries that are
objectively far less industrialized than us. Italy is in the G8, Libia
and Poland aren't even in the G20. When I say we "deserve" better, I
mean that we could have a lot more technological resources to invest in
FPGA world. This is a fact, not an offense.

I didn't mean to insult anyone! If I did so, I apologize to whoever
could have been offended. Probably the guilt is my bad english, I'm not
able to express all my thoughts exactly.

--
Lorenzo

Lorenzo Lutti wrote:
> "Ljubisa Bajic" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:[email protected] m...
>
>
>>It is incredible that in response to an inquiry about
>>technical workshops you found it appropriate to insult
>>some countries (in fact whole regions!; even
>>continents!!),
>
>
> Insult?! I have simply said that some multinationals consider Italy
> (from a *business* point of view) just like countries that are
> objectively far less industrialized than us. Italy is in the G8, Libia
> and Poland aren't even in the G20. When I say we "deserve" better, I
> mean that we could have a lot more technological resources to invest in
> FPGA world. This is a fact, not an offense.
>
> I didn't mean to insult anyone! If I did so, I apologize to whoever
> could have been offended. Probably the guilt is my bad english, I'm not
> able to express all my thoughts exactly.
>

The G8 membership might distort the picture a bit.
South of say Bolognia there is not much Technology anymore.
A few Tomatoes and Olives plus lots of companies using the cheap
labour for simple jobs.

Rene

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Rene Tschaggelar wrote:
>
> The G8 membership might distort the picture a bit.
> South of say Bolognia there is not much Technology anymore.
> A few Tomatoes and Olives plus lots of companies using the cheap
> labour for simple jobs.
>
> Rene
>

even if I agree on the overall picture, in south-italy there
are R&D and manufacturing plants of companies like ST-microelectronics,
Ericson and a few others. I think that there is a potential market for
FPGA.

Tullio Grassi

Rene Tschaggelar <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected] ws.com>...
> Lorenzo Lutti wrote:
> > "Ljubisa Bajic" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> > news:[email protected] m...
> >
> >
> >>It is incredible that in response to an inquiry about
> >>technical workshops you found it appropriate to insult
> >>some countries (in fact whole regions!; even
> >>continents!!),
> >
> >
> > Insult?! I have simply said that some multinationals consider Italy
> > (from a *business* point of view) just like countries that are
> > objectively far less industrialized than us. Italy is in the G8, Libia
> > and Poland aren't even in the G20. When I say we "deserve" better, I
> > mean that we could have a lot more technological resources to invest in
> > FPGA world. This is a fact, not an offense.
> >
> > I didn't mean to insult anyone! If I did so, I apologize to whoever
> > could have been offended. Probably the guilt is my bad english, I'm not
> > able to express all my thoughts exactly.
> >
>
> The G8 membership might distort the picture a bit.
> South of say Bolognia there is not much Technology anymore.
> A few Tomatoes and Olives plus lots of companies using the cheap
> labour for simple jobs.
>
> Rene

Italy isn't completely out of the picture, I mean ST is in top 10 of
world semi comps which used to be Thomson + SGS + Mostek + Inmos etc,
still mostly Franco Italian UK, last I heard was still run by SGS guy
(Pastorio ??). And they even have design centers in Sicily last time I
heard.

Still if Xilinx doesn't show, the Altera guy said they would. I am a
bit surprised to hear UK isn't on the map, that can't be right.

johnjaksonATusaDOTcom

"Rene Tschaggelar" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[email protected] s.com...

> The G8 membership might distort the picture a bit.

I agree. In fact, I don't think we will be members for much time again.

> South of say Bolognia there is not much Technology
> anymore. ^^^^^^^^

"Bologna", I live at 20 km from there.

> A few Tomatoes and Olives plus lots of companies using the
> cheap
> labour for simple jobs.

You forgot pizza, mafia and mandolino! <g>

As someone has already told you, there are some exceptions. The south of
the Italy is less industrialized than the North, but still it is more
industrialized than some southern and midwest areas of the USA.

However, your consideration is sostantially correct. The main reason of
this decadence (that involves North as well as South, even if in
different ways) is due to the political choices made from the eighties
to the present time: constant reduction of funds for school and
research, cultural impoverishment driven by media, laws that support
cunning people, tax evasion and corruption (and I might add that things
are going to get even worse, with the current government infested by
thieves, xenophobes, separationists and so on).

In spite of this, however, we still have something to say; italians are
those who very often invent things (even if sometimes they do it outside
of Italy). FPGA/DSP neglect is more a "cultural" problem rather than a
technological one.

--
Lorenzo