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hi all i'm new to the fpga field

i was wondering how do i use the onboard sram, i need to create a bi
memory structure so do i just do:

type dataout is array (0 to 1048576) of std_logic_vector(15 downto 0);
signal mem_struct : dataout;

and the fpga knows what to do and where to save the stuff and then us
mem_struct as my memory structure or is there a way (a procedure) to us
the onboard sram or flash for what matters.

i hope i'm clear enough

if it helps i am using virtex 4 xc4vfx20 and xilinx ise 9.2, and i hav
512M scan disk flash and SRAM module (ZBT Synchronous SRAM) on the boar
itself
thanks in advance

regards
The Lord of War

"The Lord of War" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> hi all i'm new to the fpga field
>
> i was wondering how do i use the onboard sram, i need to create a big
> memory structure so do i just do:
>
> type dataout is array (0 to 1048576) of std_logic_vector(15 downto 0);
> signal mem_struct : dataout;
>
> and the fpga knows what to do and where to save the stuff and then use
> mem_struct as my memory structure or is there a way (a procedure) to use
> the onboard sram or flash for what matters.
>
> i hope i'm clear enough
>
> if it helps i am using virtex 4 xc4vfx20 and xilinx ise 9.2, and i have
> 512M scan disk flash and SRAM module (ZBT Synchronous SRAM) on the board
> itself
> thanks in advance
>
> regards
> The Lord of War

Me personally, I find (1024 * 1024 - 1) more easily readable for intent, and
small mistakes harder to miss. As to your question, simply: No, but it can
be "taught". The beauty of a blank canvas is it doesn't presume to know the
brush's intent.

eh no for what no for I cant use the sram that is onboard or no I have t
do some fancy stuff and calls to be able to use them? and if so what do
need to do?

thanks

On 3 Temmuz, 11:55, "The Lord of War" <maa105....@gmail.com> wrote:
> eh no for what no for I cant use the sram that is onboard or no I have to
> do some fancy stuff and calls to be able to use them? and if so what do i
> need to do?
>
> thanks

You have to observe the datasheet of the SRAM, the input output timing
diagram, the connections between the SRAM and the FPGA. The array
solution is not a logical solution since by creating an array you can
not reach to the SRAM it only tries to create a memory inside the FPGA
which will not be synthesizable.

"The Lord of War" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> eh no for what no for I cant use the sram that is onboard or no I have to
> do some fancy stuff and calls to be able to use them? and if so what do i
> need to do?

No, the fpga doesn't of itself know about the board. It doesn't know about
the devices on the board. And it doesn't know the minutiae of operation of
the devices on the board.

As to what to do, it depends on what you're trying to do. An embedded system
can use the Xilinx EDK to interface with the device, attach it to the
peripheral bus, assign it room in the memory space, and build drivers to
access and control the device from software. For a hardware only solution,
start with the device's datasheet, and build the interface circuitry in the
fpga. The "process" you can "call" to work with the device might already
exist. They're more generally referred to as IP Cores. I expect you'll find
the required IP Cores in the Xilinx tools.

"Fancy stuff" on the fpga is more properly thought of as describing and
connecting circuitry. It is not software "calls" using a strange new
programming language. I hope you'll find that distinction helpful.

>"The Lord of War" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] m...
>> eh no for what no for I cant use the sram that is onboard or no I hav
to
>> do some fancy stuff and calls to be able to use them? and if so what d
i
>> need to do?
>
>No, the fpga doesn't of itself know about the board. It doesn't kno
about
>the devices on the board. And it doesn't know the minutiae of operatio
of
>the devices on the board.
>
>As to what to do, it depends on what you're trying to do. An embedde
system
>can use the Xilinx EDK to interface with the device, attach it to the
>peripheral bus, assign it room in the memory space, and build drivers t

>access and control the device from software. For a hardware onl
solution,
>start with the device's datasheet, and build the interface circuitry i
the
>fpga. The "process" you can "call" to work with the device might alread

>exist. They're more generally referred to as IP Cores. I expect you'l
find
>the required IP Cores in the Xilinx tools.
>
>"Fancy stuff" on the fpga is more properly thought of as describing and
>connecting circuitry. It is not software "calls" using a strange new
>programming language. I hope you'll find that distinction helpful.
>
>
>

I dont know but maybe (or definitely) you guys are way more advanced tha
me that's why I'm getting nothing, so to be clear I have an fpga board o
it is the virtex 4 and lots of other chips including an sram module and
flash (scan disk) and something called linear flash all this is on the SAM
board as the FPGA and what I'm trying to do is to use these modules to sav
information temporarily, so I need to save data in the sram (the on
ONboard) to be able to use later. I'm using VHDL to code my project, and m
question is; HOW can I use these resources which are on the same board.

please help the declaring big array did not work.
any tutorials or sample code is greatly appreciated

thanks a lot guys and best of regards

On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:25:46 -0500, "The Lord of War"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>"The Lord of War" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected] om...
>>> eh no for what no for I cant use the sram that is onboard or no I have
>to
>>> do some fancy stuff and calls to be able to use them? and if so what do
>i
>>> need to do?
>>
>>No, the fpga doesn't of itself know about the board. It doesn't know
>about
>>the devices on the board. And it doesn't know the minutiae of operation
>of
>>the devices on the board.
>>
>>As to what to do, it depends on what you're trying to do. An embedded
>system
>>can use the Xilinx EDK to interface with the device, attach it to the
>>peripheral bus, assign it room in the memory space, and build drivers to
>
>>access and control the device from software. For a hardware only
>solution,
>>start with the device's datasheet, and build the interface circuitry in
>the
>>fpga. The "process" you can "call" to work with the device might already
>
>>exist. They're more generally referred to as IP Cores. I expect you'll
>find
>>the required IP Cores in the Xilinx tools.
>>
>>"Fancy stuff" on the fpga is more properly thought of as describing and
>>connecting circuitry. It is not software "calls" using a strange new
>>programming language. I hope you'll find that distinction helpful.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I dont know but maybe (or definitely) you guys are way more advanced than
>me that's why I'm getting nothing, so to be clear I have an fpga board on
>it is the virtex 4 and lots of other chips including an sram module and a
>flash (scan disk) and something called linear flash all this is on the SAME
>board as the FPGA and what I'm trying to do is to use these modules to save
>information temporarily, so I need to save data in the sram (the one
>ONboard) to be able to use later. I'm using VHDL to code my project, and my
>question is; HOW can I use these resources which are on the same board.
>
>please help the declaring big array did not work.
>any tutorials or sample code is greatly appreciated
>
>thanks a lot guys and best of regards

Declaring an array in VHDL uses memory _inside_ the FPGA. You need to use
memory _outside_ the FPGA. Imagine that the SRAM chip is connected to a
microprocessor, instead of a FPGA. The micro and the SRAM chip communicate
via Address lines, Data lines (I/O) and control lines (cs*, we*, rd, wr,
etc). The micro puts out a valid address, and sets the control lines to
read from or write to the SRAM chip. The data travels on the data lines
(bus). So, the FPGA needs to do something similar; this is called a memory
controller. The timing of the memory controller must match the specs of
the SRAM chip. There may be existing IP for Virtex that already does this.
Perhaps Xilinx's CoreGen creates one (look in ISE). Your VHDL "code" then
uses the memory controller to communicate with the SRAM.
HTH
-Dave Pollum

"The Lord of War" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ...
> >"The Lord of War" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected] om...
>>> eh no for what no for I cant use the sram that is onboard or no I have
> to
>>> do some fancy stuff and calls to be able to use them? and if so what do
> i
>>> need to do?
>>
>>No, the fpga doesn't of itself know about the board. It doesn't know
> about
>>the devices on the board. And it doesn't know the minutiae of operation
> of
>>the devices on the board.
>>
>>As to what to do, it depends on what you're trying to do. An embedded
> system
>>can use the Xilinx EDK to interface with the device, attach it to the
>>peripheral bus, assign it room in the memory space, and build drivers to
>
>>access and control the device from software. For a hardware only
> solution,
>>start with the device's datasheet, and build the interface circuitry in
> the
>>fpga. The "process" you can "call" to work with the device might already
>
>>exist. They're more generally referred to as IP Cores. I expect you'll
> find
>>the required IP Cores in the Xilinx tools.
>>
>>"Fancy stuff" on the fpga is more properly thought of as describing and
>>connecting circuitry. It is not software "calls" using a strange new
>>programming language. I hope you'll find that distinction helpful.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I dont know but maybe (or definitely) you guys are way more advanced than
> me that's why I'm getting nothing, so to be clear I have an fpga board on
> it is the virtex 4 and lots of other chips including an sram module and a
> flash (scan disk) and something called linear flash all this is on the
> SAME
> board as the FPGA and what I'm trying to do is to use these modules to
> save
> information temporarily, so I need to save data in the sram (the one
> ONboard) to be able to use later. I'm using VHDL to code my project, and
> my
> question is; HOW can I use these resources which are on the same board.
>
> please help the declaring big array did not work.
> any tutorials or sample code is greatly appreciated
>
> thanks a lot guys and best of regards

It sounds like the ML405 board. www.xilinx.com is where I would look first
for sample code and tutorials. You'll find there as many application notes
and documents as you would care to read. The memory manufacturers' websites
will also have vitally useful information.

With that said, I think it's way too much all at once to tackle as a first
effort. If you care to, back up a few steps, tell us what you're doing and
why, and what your expectations are. If it's a school project, stick with
their program, of course. But, if you're on your own, maybe someone here can
suggest a more reasonable progression to get you rolling. It won't be a
short journey, but you might find it more satisfying and worthwhile than
immediate gratification on your near term goal.

Sadly I'm on my own, and what I'm trying to do is sample an analog signa
save is in digital form in some kind of buffer (here comes the sram role
and then read it back after some time and convert it back to analog, thu
producing a delay that can be controlled. and I need to do long delays so
nee a big buffer or memory. I checked the xilinx website there is n
mention on the use of the onboard ram, so if any one have a lead on th
subject please help, I need to know HOW to do this, a tutorial is good too
I'll keep searching and I'll post if I find anything new.

regards

On Jul 4, 3:19*am, "The Lord of War" <maa105....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sadly I'm on my own, and what I'm trying to do is sample an analog signal
> save is in digital form in some kind of buffer (here comes the sram role)
> and then read it back after some time and convert it back to analog, thus
> producing a delay that can be controlled. and I need to do long delays soI
> nee a big buffer or memory. I checked the xilinx website there is no
> mention on the use of the onboard ram, so if any one have a lead on the
> subject please help, I need to know HOW to do this, a tutorial is good too.
> I'll keep searching and I'll post if I find anything new.
>
> regards

Maybe I missed something, but what board are you using? Are you
asking for help with the board you have or ZBT ram in general, or are
you asking for help with the HDL? Or maybe all three?

Rick

>On Jul 4, 3:19=A0am, "The Lord of War" <maa105....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sadly I'm on my own, and what I'm trying to do is sample an analo
signal
>> save is in digital form in some kind of buffer (here comes the sra
role)
>> and then read it back after some time and convert it back to analog
thus
>> producing a delay that can be controlled. and I need to do long delay
so=
> I
>> nee a big buffer or memory. I checked the xilinx website there is no
>> mention on the use of the onboard ram, so if any one have a lead o
the
>> subject please help, I need to know HOW to do this, a tutorial is goo
to=
>o.
>> I'll keep searching and I'll post if I find anything new.
>>
>> regards
>
>Maybe I missed something, but what board are you using? Are you
>asking for help with the board you have or ZBT ram in general, or are
>you asking for help with the HDL? Or maybe all three?
>
>Rick
>

i'm using virtex 4 board 405/6 and on the board is a sram chip and it i
ZBT, this sram is on the same board so I need not wire any externa
circuit since the sram module is on the same board, I'm coding using VHD
and all I need to know is HOW can I use this sram module -which is on th
same board . so HOW e.g. a function call or a built in library with som
entity that uses the onboard ram or how can I access this ram?? (what do
need to do)

thanks in advance

"The Lord of War" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> Sadly I'm on my own, and what I'm trying to do is sample an analog signal
> save is in digital form in some kind of buffer (here comes the sram role)
> and then read it back after some time and convert it back to analog, thus
> producing a delay that can be controlled. and I need to do long delays so
> I
> nee a big buffer or memory. I checked the xilinx website there is no
> mention on the use of the onboard ram, so if any one have a lead on the
> subject please help, I need to know HOW to do this, a tutorial is good
> too.
> I'll keep searching and I'll post if I find anything new.

The help we give can only be as specific as the information you give us. We
don't know the sample rate from your ADC; we don't know anything about your
board; we don't know anything about the synchronous RAM on your board.

Research this:

Find the documentation for your board. Identify the memory device you are
trying to read and write. Make note of what signals connect to the fpga.
Identify the pins on the fpga that connect to the memory device.

Find the documentation for the memory device. Make note of the functions of
the signals connected to the fpga. Make note of the timing information.

You will program the fpga to generate the signals to read and write the
device. Begin forming in your mind the operations the fpga must perform to
do this.

You will read and write one or possibly more data words on each ADC sample.
How many bits in a data sample? How many bits in a memory data word? Does
the data sample fit in a memory word? Does the sample rate leave enough time
to read one sample and write a new sample on each cycle?

A ring buffer is suitable for use as a delay line. Define the delay time in
terms of sample time. For each sample, read the old sample value, and
overwrite it with the new sample. Advance to the next memory location. A
modulo-N counter can be used to drive the memory address lines. It counts up
to N-1 and then starts over at 0.

The memory device has a number of control lines. What are their functions?
What signals will you drive to read a memory location? What signals will you
drive to write a memory location?

The ADC sample rate will almost certainly be different from this circuit's
clock rate. How will you signal the start of a sample period?

Since you didn't ask about the ADC or DAC, I presume you have this part
under control. The memory is only moderately more complex than reading and
writing those other devices.

You will also need a one time reset to initialize the ring buffer contents
to an unobnoxious value. Alternatively, consider just not sending the
garbage values read during the first delay cycle.

I would go about building things in this order:

Write the HDL for the modulo-N counter. Simulate and verify its operation.

Add the memory control lines. Add this to the simulation and verify its
operation.

Write a testbench to generate data samples and simulate the memory device.
Verify the module's operation in the simulator.

Wire the module to your (presumably) already working ADC and DAC modules.

Good luck.

"The Lord of War" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ...
> >On Jul 4, 3:19=A0am, "The Lord of War" <maa105....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sadly I'm on my own, and what I'm trying to do is sample an analog
> signal
>>> save is in digital form in some kind of buffer (here comes the sram
> role)
>>> and then read it back after some time and convert it back to analog,
> thus
>>> producing a delay that can be controlled. and I need to do long delays
> so=
>> I
>>> nee a big buffer or memory. I checked the xilinx website there is no
>>> mention on the use of the onboard ram, so if any one have a lead on
> the
>>> subject please help, I need to know HOW to do this, a tutorial is good
> to=
>>o.
>>> I'll keep searching and I'll post if I find anything new.
>>>
>>> regards
>>
>>Maybe I missed something, but what board are you using? Are you
>>asking for help with the board you have or ZBT ram in general, or are
>>you asking for help with the HDL? Or maybe all three?
>>
>>Rick
>>
>
> i'm using virtex 4 board 405/6 and on the board is a sram chip and it is
> ZBT, this sram is on the same board so I need not wire any external
> circuit since the sram module is on the same board, I'm coding using VHDL
> and all I need to know is HOW can I use this sram module -which is on the
> same board . so HOW e.g. a function call or a built in library with some
> entity that uses the onboard ram or how can I access this ram?? (what do i
> need to do)

Google on "zbt sram", among the first few hits:
http://www.xilinx.com/support/docume...es/xapp136.pdf

Also for the same search:
http://www.opencores.org/?do=project...ram_controller

WOW thanks Mike I'll start working on that and update this post when I fin
new stuff.

regards
The Lord of War

I remember that I was trying to do something with MIG core (memory interface generator). try reading can it helps you. But I think that you have to find out how data are written in the ram meory. you have to read datasheet detailed first. when you understand timing diagrams it won't be so hard to write your interface in vhdl.