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Hi,

Does anyone know how much Aldec Active-HDL 6.1 costs?
I emailed Aldec, but they didn't bother to reply.

Regards,
Allan.

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:24:06 +1100, Allan Herriman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know how much Aldec Active-HDL 6.1 costs?
>I emailed Aldec, but they didn't bother to reply.

haha! http://www.eedesign.com/story/OEG20031022S0026

"Active-HDL pricing starts at $5,900."

In article <[email protected]>, Allan
Herriman <[email protected]> writes
>On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:24:06 +1100, Allan Herriman
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Does anyone know how much Aldec Active-HDL 6.1 costs?
>>I emailed Aldec, but they didn't bother to reply.
>
>haha! http://www.eedesign.com/story/OEG20031022S0026
>
>"Active-HDL pricing starts at $5,900."
>
Was about to give you a link to the UK distis, but then noticed you're no
longer there. Couldn't really imagine agilent jumping ship from Modelsim
anyway ;-)
--
fred

Would you mind me asking why considering Aldec?

"Allan Herriman" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]..
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:24:06 +1100, Allan Herriman
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >Does anyone know how much Aldec Active-HDL 6.1 costs?
> >I emailed Aldec, but they didn't bother to reply.
>
> haha! http://www.eedesign.com/story/OEG20031022S0026
>
> "Active-HDL pricing starts at $5,900."
>

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:26:39 GMT, "Stratus Engineer"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Would you mind me asking why considering Aldec?

I'm looking for a simulation tool that (1) works and (2) handles the
current version of Verilog (& pref. VHDL as well) and (3) doesn't have
a size limit (or crippled simulation speed) and (4) doesn't cost too
much.

There's not as much choice as I had first hoped.

I'm currently using Icarus (which fails on points 1 and 2).
I've considered various versions of Modelsim (which fail on either
point 3 or point 4).
I've considered Riviera (which fails on point 4).

Aldec seems like a logical next step. Any other suggestions?

Regards,
Allan.

Allan Herriman wrote:
>
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:26:39 GMT, "Stratus Engineer"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Would you mind me asking why considering Aldec?
>
> I'm looking for a simulation tool that (1) works and (2) handles the
> current version of Verilog (& pref. VHDL as well) and (3) doesn't have
> a size limit (or crippled simulation speed) and (4) doesn't cost too
> much.
>
> There's not as much choice as I had first hoped.
>
> I'm currently using Icarus (which fails on points 1 and 2).
> I've considered various versions of Modelsim (which fail on either
> point 3 or point 4).
> I've considered Riviera (which fails on point 4).
>
> Aldec seems like a logical next step. Any other suggestions?
>
> Regards,
> Allan.

I have used ModelSim in a couple of jobs as well as part of the low cost
or free tools that X and A offer(ed). I contacted Aldec about their
simulator since I expected it to be much cheaper. Sadly, it is not and
in fact is a bit more expensive. So if ModelSim fails on point 4, then
Aldec will too (along with most of the others).

On the other hand, many of the simulations I do run just fine with the
speed crippling, so I am ok for the moment.

Have you looked at any of the open source tools? Is that what Icarus
is? I am not familiar with them, but I know they exist.

--

Rick "rickman" Collins

[email protected]
Ignore the reply address. To email me use the above address with the XY
removed.

Arius - A Signal Processing Solutions Company
Specializing in DSP and FPGA design URL http://www.arius.com
4 King Ave 301-682-7772 Voice
Frederick, MD 21701-3110 301-682-7666 FAX

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:27:22 -0500, rickman <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Have you looked at any of the open source tools? Is that what Icarus
>is? I am not familiar with them, but I know they exist.

Yes, I am looking at commercial software because I am currently using
an open source tool (Icarus).

My experience is that "open source" isn't necessarily the same as
"good quality" when applied to EDA tools - both the developer and the
user communities are just too small to achieve quality comparable with
commercial EDA tools (or Linux, for that matter).

I wish that someone could prove me wrong!

Regards,
Allan.

Hi Allan,

Have you looked at Symphony EDA? It is 10% of Aldec's cost. I use
Aldec, but Symphony looks promising to me (I started using it a week
ago). It's interface is very similar, but it does not have all the
bells and whistles of Active-HDL.

-- Pete

Allan Herriman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:27:22 -0500, rickman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Have you looked at any of the open source tools? Is that what Icarus
> >is? I am not familiar with them, but I know they exist.
>
> Yes, I am looking at commercial software because I am currently using
> an open source tool (Icarus).
>
> My experience is that "open source" isn't necessarily the same as
> "good quality" when applied to EDA tools - both the developer and the
> user communities are just too small to achieve quality comparable with
> commercial EDA tools (or Linux, for that matter).
>
> I wish that someone could prove me wrong!
>
> Regards,
> Allan.

Oops, looking through the thread I see you want a Verilog sim.
Symphony is only VHDL.

-- Pete

Allan Herriman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:27:22 -0500, rickman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Have you looked at any of the open source tools? Is that what Icarus
> >is? I am not familiar with them, but I know they exist.
>
> Yes, I am looking at commercial software because I am currently using
> an open source tool (Icarus).
>
> My experience is that "open source" isn't necessarily the same as
> "good quality" when applied to EDA tools - both the developer and the
> user communities are just too small to achieve quality comparable with
> commercial EDA tools (or Linux, for that matter).
>
> I wish that someone could prove me wrong!
>
> Regards,
> Allan.

Downlad a trial from Altec. This prevents you from ascking stupd questions.

On 18 Nov 2003 07:53:10 -0800, [email protected] (Peter
Sommerfeld) wrote:

>Oops, looking through the thread I see you want a Verilog sim.
>Symphony is only VHDL.

Symphony is a good example though.

A one-year node-locked license of the "Standard" version costs US$199.
There doesn't seem to be any comparable Verilog simulator in that
price range.

Regards,
Allan.

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:02:59 +0200, "Valentin Tihomirov"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Downlad a trial from Altec. This prevents you from ascking stupd questions.

Was that directed at me or Rick? Which questions were "stupd" ?

Allan.

"Allan Herriman" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]..
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:02:59 +0200, "Valentin Tihomirov"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Downlad a trial from Altec. This prevents you from ascking stupd
questions.
>
> Was that directed at me or Rick? Which questions were "stupd" ?
>
> Allan.

Hi Allan,

Your thread is quite informative. Don't pay attention to such rough letters.

Valeri.

There are plenty of us who would like to use a nice low cost tool such
as this, if it works well. Please keep us informed of any issues you
find.


Peter Sommerfeld wrote:
>
> Hi Allan,
>
> Have you looked at Symphony EDA? It is 10% of Aldec's cost. I use
> Aldec, but Symphony looks promising to me (I started using it a week
> ago). It's interface is very similar, but it does not have all the
> bells and whistles of Active-HDL.
>
> -- Pete
>
> Allan Herriman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:27:22 -0500, rickman <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Have you looked at any of the open source tools? Is that what Icarus
> > >is? I am not familiar with them, but I know they exist.
> >
> > Yes, I am looking at commercial software because I am currently using
> > an open source tool (Icarus).
> >
> > My experience is that "open source" isn't necessarily the same as
> > "good quality" when applied to EDA tools - both the developer and the
> > user communities are just too small to achieve quality comparable with
> > commercial EDA tools (or Linux, for that matter).
> >
> > I wish that someone could prove me wrong!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Allan.

--

Rick "rickman" Collins

[email protected]
Ignore the reply address. To email me use the above address with the XY
removed.

Arius - A Signal Processing Solutions Company
Specializing in DSP and FPGA design URL http://www.arius.com
4 King Ave 301-682-7772 Voice
Frederick, MD 21701-3110 301-682-7666 FAX