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Old 04-29-2004, 08:36 AM
Frank
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I think what you're talking about has already been realized:

http://www.hartmann-music.com

Most relevant:
http://www.hartmann-music.com/home/u...ne_basics.html

and

http://neuron.prosoniq.com/

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--Frank


[email protected] (Stephen Norris) wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >[email protected] (Stephen Norris) wrote in message
> >news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> >Your interest in the actual neuron stimulation in relation to the
> >sound, is the intriging aspect of your intentions.
> >
> >My square waves were only of many posible air compression functions.
> >Experiment with sine wave also. Wavelets also.
> >
> >To obtain neuron unique sounds requires the musician to look to the
> >inventor sometimes. Maybe try using the wavelets of digital signal
> >processors as the note? A beautiful harmonic scale could be
> >constructed.
> >
> >Maybe a fancy synthesizer has wavelets?
> >

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Old 04-30-2004, 02:39 AM
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[email protected] (Frank) wrote in
news: <[email protected] >

>I think what you're talking about has already been realized:
>http://www.hartmann-music.com
>
>Most relevant:
>http://www.hartmann-music.com/home/u...undengine_basi

cs.html
>and
>http://neuron.prosoniq.com/


The Neuron is clearly a superb synthesizer/mixer and features many powerful
innovations, notably in its impressive user-interface. The website shows
Stevie Wonder with the instrument, and there can scarcely be a better
recommendation.

The designers have trained a neural network to recognise significant tonal
characteristics of sounds played to it, and users can change the sound quality
by manipulating these characteristics. ("Neuron has a basic concept of the
sonic qualities of a sound and how they interact with the human auditory
perception. [...] Years of research [...] have been invested to deduct a set
of parameters from any given sound based on pattern recognition and proprietary
transform methods.")

A SERAF (synaptic energy redistribution audio filter) is NOT a neural network,
but uses digital signal processing techniques similar to waveshaping in an
attempt to change the tone-colour of the input sound by triggering specific
conceptual (that is, hypothetical but possibly real) neural synapses within the
brain of the listener.

I'd be interested to have an opinion from Neuron's designers on SERAFs. It is
possible, but rather unlikely, that Neuron's neural network already
incorporates all the potential power of SERAF methods, but in any case it would
certainly be an interesting exercise to try to develop unusual SERAF sounds
that Neuron does not understand - I'm sure Neuron's designers would want to be
involved in such experiments. I wonder how horribly complicated the legal
situation would become if the 'propriety' of Neuron's methods were ever
questioned and the precise workings of a neural network became evidence in
court!

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