Mark McDougall wrote:
> meerkat wrote:
>
>> Getting Boring !!!
>
> If _everyone_ on these ngs goes to google and reports this blog as spam
> (as I have), perhaps we can get it removed!?!
Not a chance. Google doesn't care.
Jerry
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> If _everyone_ on these ngs goes to google and reports this blog as spam
> (as I have), perhaps we can get it removed!?!
>
Nope, not a chance. That just legitimises Google as the main arbiter of
Usenet, which is exactly what they want. They're a (very large) newcomer,
Usenet has been around far longer. The only way is if paying customers
lobby their paid providers to stop carrying much of the Google feeds, or at
least to filter them, and even that won't work if it's inconvenient
to do, especially if Google is paying enough baksheesh to those providers
to look the other way. It will only stop if the inconvenience to other
providers and their customers starts to itch badly, and only for those who
migrate from Google Groups to other providers, so Google will try to keep
it happening if that's what it takes to prevent that migration. They can't
watch what happens and learn to use it if it's not happening under their
roof, so they'll permit pretty much anything that keeps it there.
> It will only stop if the inconvenience to other
> providers and their customers starts to itch badly, and only for those
> who migrate from Google Groups to other providers, so Google will try
> to keep it happening if that's what it takes to prevent that
> migration.
To clear up what looks like self-contradiction:
If Google allow other providers an easy way to filter the crap, there is a
refuge that people can go to, and will even PAY to get there. That hurts
Google's control, so Google will try to make it difficult to get any
respite from it, so that their free access will draw the majority of users,
giving them the huge flow of information they need to do what they do best.
It's good as well as bad, I guess, but either way it can't happen for them
if they start doing things to stem the flow of what they depend on most.
Mark McDougall wrote:
>
> meerkat wrote:
>
> > Getting Boring !!!
>
> If _everyone_ on these ngs goes to google and reports this blog as spam
> (as I have), perhaps we can get it removed!?!
Why would google care when they host the stupid blog, and make
advertising money from it?
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Lostgallifreyan wrote:
>
> Lostgallifreyan <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > It will only stop if the inconvenience to other
> > providers and their customers starts to itch badly, and only for those
> > who migrate from Google Groups to other providers, so Google will try
> > to keep it happening if that's what it takes to prevent that
> > migration.
>
> To clear up what looks like self-contradiction:
> If Google allow other providers an easy way to filter the crap, there is a
> refuge that people can go to, and will even PAY to get there. That hurts
> Google's control, so Google will try to make it difficult to get any
> respite from it, so that their free access will draw the majority of users,
> giving them the huge flow of information they need to do what they do best.
> It's good as well as bad, I guess, but either way it can't happen for them
> if they start doing things to stem the flow of what they depend on most.
Supernews filters all Google Groups spam cross posted to too many
newsgroups. I won't give the exact number, but its is fairly low.
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:35:32 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark McDougall wrote:
>>
>> meerkat wrote:
>>
>> > Getting Boring !!!
>>
>> If _everyone_ on these ngs goes to google and reports this blog as spam
>> (as I have), perhaps we can get it removed!?!
>
>
> Why would google care when they host the stupid blog, and make
>advertising money from it?
Public Relations
It's not like anyone thinks people don't mind span.
> Supernews filters all Google Groups spam cross posted to too many
> newsgroups. I won't give the exact number, but its is fairly low.
>
I'm glad someone does. What bothered me was the possibility that no-one was
really trying. At least that way people have a choice. And an example
others might follow. I ought to look into what Easynews are doing, if
anything.
"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> Mark McDougall wrote:
>>
>> meerkat wrote:
>>
>> > Getting Boring !!!
>>
>> If _everyone_ on these ngs goes to google and reports this blog as spam
>> (as I have), perhaps we can get it removed!?!
>
>
> Why would google care when they host the stupid blog, and make
> advertising money from it?
Its not jsut hosting the blog. There is a whole chain of Google abuse here.
1) Using a Google email address to send spam.
2) Using Google Groups to send spam.
3) Using a blog to host pages with nothing but adverts on.
4) Creating pages that contain adverts and no content.
4 separate breaches of their terms and conditions of usage of 4 separate
Google services. If you complain to them you just get a canned reply. I
wonder why they have terms and conditions of usage?
kony wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:35:32 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Mark McDougall wrote:
> >>
> >> meerkat wrote:
> >>
> >> > Getting Boring !!!
> >>
> >> If _everyone_ on these ngs goes to google and reports this blog as spam
> >> (as I have), perhaps we can get it removed!?!
> >
> >
> > Why would google care when they host the stupid blog, and make
> >advertising money from it?
>
> Public Relations
>
> It's not like anyone thinks people don't mind span.
The 900 pound gorilla with the dagger to you throat doesn't care
about PR. All he cares about is a steady supply of free bananas.
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Ken Barlow wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
> > Mark McDougall wrote:
> >>
> >> meerkat wrote:
> >>
> >> > Getting Boring !!!
> >>
> >> If _everyone_ on these ngs goes to google and reports this blog as spam
> >> (as I have), perhaps we can get it removed!?!
> >
> >
> > Why would google care when they host the stupid blog, and make
> > advertising money from it?
>
> Its not jsut hosting the blog. There is a whole chain of Google abuse here.
>
> 1) Using a Google email address to send spam.
> 2) Using Google Groups to send spam.
> 3) Using a blog to host pages with nothing but adverts on.
> 4) Creating pages that contain adverts and no content.
>
> 4 separate breaches of their terms and conditions of usage of 4 separate
> Google services. If you complain to them you just get a canned reply. I
> wonder why they have terms and conditions of usage?
>
> Do no evil - LOL.
Leave no google user unfiltered!
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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Mark McDougall wrote:
>>If _everyone_ on these ngs goes to google and reports this blog as spam
>>(as I have), perhaps we can get it removed!?!
>>
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>Why would google care when they host the stupid blog,
>and make advertising money from it?
If Google feels they are being cheated, then they have a reason.
The most effective way to let them know and decide is to report
Blogspot spammers to
mailto:[email protected]
Maybe having their inboxes flooded will get their attention.
I'm waiting to see if the other divisions
get tired of the crap that spills over onto them
caused by Google Groups' irresponsible attitude toward spam.