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On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:32:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>krw wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 16:08:58 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]. .
>> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:36:57 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>news:[email protected] ...
>> >>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:45:15 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>>>news[email protected] om...
>> >>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:42:05 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>news:keaj2555dt8l5rvfj2lk9ffs5t721kqcb4@4ax .com...
>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:24:48 -0700, Rumpelstiltskin <[email protected]>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Better deal than the open door policy canada had in the past
>> >>>>>promising any dirt poor indian who would go there citizenship.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ...and this has to do with your wish to steal from the Canuckistani
>> >>>> taxpayer, how?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>If you do not like canada's immigration policy ... protest.
>> >>
>> >> I have no interest in Canada's immigration policy, idiot.
>> >
>> >Then quit whining.
>>
>> Whining? I'm just showing you what a leftist thief you really are.
>>
>> >Throw one on the barbi for me ... or whatever it is you do up there.
>>
>> Up?
>
>
> Its obvious he wants to scam them out of mental health care.

Too late. He already has a terminal case of weenieism.

"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:06:59 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>>> If you have enough that it would "interest" the Canuckistanis, why
>>>> don't you just spend your money on your health care. Why should
>>>> everyone else pay your way? Typical limousine leftist loon.
>>>
>>> You draw conclusions from three sentences.
>>> Typical arrogant moron.
>>
>>Yep, I thought he was even going to say the popular American chant -
>>"Healthcare is for Commies!"
>>Watch Michael Moore's "Sicko" and learn something, it will surprise you in
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>places.
>
> Now we know your IQ.

Not seen it then? Ignorant child.

On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:16:07 GMT, Jon Kirwan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:28:00 GMT, James Arthur
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Jon Kirwan wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:40:18 GMT, James Arthur
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jon Kirwan wrote:>
<snip
>However, I stil stand on the fact that children are NOT responsible
>for their existence. They were hauled into this world without asking
>for it. No one can blame them. And they deserve access. Period. No
>questions. No ifs. No ands. No buts. No debate. Every child
>should have access, universally, to health care.

Fine, so set up a fund, gather support for it and provide it. Start
small, prove it works, and has benefits, and build it.
>
>We can get into a debate about adults and their choices and whether or
>not they should only have access to exceptional circumstances and if
>they want something more they need to pay for it. There is lots of
>gray area in there. Some things you and I will agree about, some not.
>But I'll grant there is room for negotiation.
>
>But not with children.
>
>>People don't fake cancer, for
>>example, and aren't likely to abuse their visitation rights on
>>spurious stuff. Spending their own money, they might not run to
>>the ($$$) emergency room for a cold. Maybe. Dunno.
>
>I understand. There needs to be something in the system so that
>people are encouraged to make wiser choices. There is no way that
>300+ million people can be managed by some green-visor boys in a back
>room, and done well. Just like the free market system establishing,
>almost automatically, the fair price for a loaf of bread -- by choices
>each of us make from day to day, here and there, all the time -- so
>there needs to be something in the medical system that causes some
>"pain" if it is accessed so that people going after it are making
>those decisions on the ground, at the time. Each one of us filtering
>these decisions will help the whole system.
>
>One possibility that crossed my mind is that we keep an insurance
>system that people pay into and when the bill arrives, they are
>allowed to simply let the green-visor boys use their rules and ways
>and means to pay whatever they pay and then each of us pays our part
>of what remains. Like what we already have, kind of, except that
>everyone must have reasonable access to the insurance program. (By
>reasonable, I mean that poorer people get it way less than cost.)

WHY? Examine your presumptions and prejudices very carefully, Mr.
"always paid as you went". Perhaps all we really need is killing
enough lawyers and bean counters that want to prevent decent people of
good conscience from helping others, doing so, so that government can
intervene incompetently.

>But
>if any of us wants to negotiate with the hospital or the doctor for
>the amount, we are free to do so. And if we manage to reduce the
>charged amount, we get to pocket half of the savings. That will
>motivate folks to push on pricing -- something that is almost absent
>in the current system. (You and I both know that most people don't go
>in and negotiate prices. I do. But I know I'm unusual because the
>people I negotiate with tell me so. I posted some months back the
>fact that I got a $850 MRI done for $185, after talking to the billing
>centers, while waiting for the service!) But if people get something
>back for the trouble, some will do more of it. And it will put
>pressure on pricing, which is decidedly needed.
>
>>Personally, I'm in the throes of helping someone dear in a desperate
>>life-and-death struggle, a crisis presently brought on by deficient
>>healthcare. But, it's not money or healthcare per se that's to
>>blame. The care is excellent, the problem is delay. Bureaucracy.
>
>I was willing to pay out of pocket for my daughter. I couldn't find
>anyone who could do it sooner for any amount I could afford. (I
>didn't open a briefcase of a million dollars to see if that would
>help, I admit.) Delay, in this case, was due to too many people
>needing service, too many professionals needing to coordinate, and
>scarse metering of hospital privileges for dentists. Among other
>things. It wasn't about bureacracy, at all. And this is in the US. I
>simply had NO access. I had to go out of the US to get the work done,
>quickly. It was as simple as that.
>
>>I read other countries' discussions & controversies, in their own
>>forums, last night. ISTM they handle the small stuff pretty well,
>>with quick appointments & care, but the big stuff was rationed;
>>parceled out slowly.
>
>This was big stuff for our family. Couldn't get it done, here. Had
>to go elsewhere. Much quicker, that way. And frankly just as good. I
>was an outsider, too.
>
>>This particular setup is very much like foreign services--geared toward
>>servicing everyday things beautifully, but exceptions not so well. When
>>leagues of specialists are needed to handle complex patients--like this
>>one--communication fails, and delay is the result. Ironically, too many
>>cooks, not too few. Bureaucracy kills. It has grievously harmed, and
>>may yet kill this person, soon.
>
>I've not been exposed to what you are talking about here. My personal
>experiences differ profoundly with this claim. You may be right in
>some cases, but frankly my daughter's teeth being broken to the gum
>line is an emergency situation. And there is NO EXCUSE possible for a
>10 month waiting period. None. It simply shouldn't be this way in
>the US. And I was paying the bills, too. Our system really sucks bad
>in some ways, James. Seriously bad.
>
>>I can say this though--but for months of my and other interested
>>outsiders' vigorous intervention this year, this battle would've been
>>lost already. And we always have the option of going wherever we want,
>>whenever we want, and fixing this situation, if need be, because there
>>are still competing systems here in the US. That's a valuable option.
>>I'd hate to lose it.
>>
>>So, I'm skeptical of delays and rationing, and bureaucrats directing
>>care, and that's my stake in it.
>
>I'm also skeptical. My take is simple.
>
>Anything that isn't watched becomes a problem. It doesn't matter if
>it is publicly run or privately run. Every single activity that isn't
>monitored and watched like a hawk will go wrong, someday, sometime.
>There is no panacea of just saying "let private business do it" or
>saying "this is best handled as a public service." No matter what it
>is, if we aren't watching it, it will go wrong.
>
>The banking system, of late, is a class example of an unwatched pot.
>But governments go awry. So do privately run businesses. They all go
>bad if we, as citizens, don't stay vigilent and watchful.
>
>I'm skeptical of ANYTHING that isn't getting our collective attention.
>Turn your head away from something and someone will reach into the
>till. Private or public. The only solution is that all of us stay
>engaged, all the time, everywhere. It hurts, it drains our time, but
>that's the only solution. Everything unwatched will stab you in the
>back, someday. Because there are always people looking for some new
>scam, public or private.
>
>I also don't know what the answer is, here. I think whatever it is,
>it will bear constant vigilence. However, one thing I'm certain
>about. Children have an absolute right to access to health care,
>without regard to their parents' circumstances. Adults we can debate
>about and try and design something that will encourage their vigilence
>in the system. I do feel that adults also have a right to health care
>access, though. Just that the lines drawn are negotiable and I agree
>that I'd like some way to encourage individuals to make rational
>decisions and not just go waste resources because it gets them a free
>coke to drink, for example (diabetes test?) If there is going to be
>something like that built it, it must be about money to make it
>personal. This means either there is a price to pay for each event
>(perhaps means tested) which puts some pressure on them or else
>provides some cash back for reducing costs to the system my active
>negotiation efforts. Or both.
>
>My daughter's case, though, is inexcusable. Our system is very, very
>bad in this case. I cannot tell you what it put us through and for no
>good reason I can imagine, either. Luckily, other places in the world
>do a LOT BETTER at it, it seems. It's just very sad that I faced that
>kind of choice. We are better than this, James. I know we are.
>
>Jon

James Arthur wrote:
>
.... snip about prepaid health care etc.
>
> I know you're an intensive user of medical services, and that
> you'd rather someone else paid for it. You might be surprised
> that in your case I agree. Yours is not the usual case though,
> and doesn't convince me to socialized medicine in general.
>
> My main reservation is efficiency--our government isn't. It
> already spends as much to cover ~1/3rd of our population as other
> governments spend for universal care. If ours could do the same
> with the same money, heck, I think I'd be for it! "Go ahead, do
> it," I say. "You've already got the money, so get us the care.
> Put up or shut up."
>
> But that's asking a lot from a government that's squandered all
> the rest of the dough they've collected, borrowed even more, and
> is obviously horrible with the healthcare money we give them.

It takes very little to knock down your argument. Medicare. It is
primarily concerned with the elderly, who get sick considerably
more often than their juniors. Yet Medicare is highly efficient.
If extended to the general population it would be even more so.

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On Jun 7, 9:08*pm, CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> more often than their juniors. *Yet Medicare is highly efficient.
> If extended to the general population it would be even more so. *

It is an inescapable economic truth that any business or activity
conducted at a given volume is less efficient when regulated than when
unregulated, simply because the activity is required to pay for the
bureaucratic layer.

On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:30:58 -0700,
"JosephKK"<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:16:07 GMT, Jon Kirwan
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:28:00 GMT, James Arthur
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Jon Kirwan wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:40:18 GMT, James Arthur
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jon Kirwan wrote:>
><snip
>>However, I stil stand on the fact that children are NOT responsible
>>for their existence. They were hauled into this world without asking
>>for it. No one can blame them. And they deserve access. Period. No
>>questions. No ifs. No ands. No buts. No debate. Every child
>>should have access, universally, to health care.
>
>Fine, so set up a fund, gather support for it and provide it. Start
>small, prove it works, and has benefits, and build it.
><snip>

I think this is already in progress, state by state at first. You
don't say if you agree. But that's fine.

Jon

"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:06:59 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>>> If you have enough that it would "interest" the Canuckistanis, why
>>>> don't you just spend your money on your health care. Why should
>>>> everyone else pay your way? Typical limousine leftist loon.
>>>
>>> You draw conclusions from three sentences.
>>> Typical arrogant moron.
>>
>>Yep, I thought he was even going to say the popular American chant -
>>"Healthcare is for Commies!"
>>Watch Michael Moore's "Sicko" and learn something, it will surprise you in
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>places.
>
> Now we know your IQ.

It posted it for YOU.
Know something before you see it, eh? Hurrah!
It has some facts despite his hideous voice. Did your wife have the French
system at hand when she gave birth?
I know... you're going to jingle your big ring of keys and swan about the
place - big men have big money and all the stupident (c)Vlad ideas.

"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:32:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>krw wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 16:08:58 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >news:[email protected]. .
>>> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:36:57 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >>>news:[email protected] ...
>>> >>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:45:15 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>news[email protected] om...
>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:42:05 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>>news:keaj2555dt8l5rvfj2lk9ffs5t721kqcb4@4ax .com...
>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:24:48 -0700, Rumpelstiltskin
>>> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Better deal than the open door policy canada had in the past
>>> >>>>>promising any dirt poor indian who would go there citizenship.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ...and this has to do with your wish to steal from the Canuckistani
>>> >>>> taxpayer, how?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>If you do not like canada's immigration policy ... protest.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have no interest in Canada's immigration policy, idiot.
>>> >
>>> >Then quit whining.
>>>
>>> Whining? I'm just showing you what a leftist thief you really are.
>>>
>>> >Throw one on the barbi for me ... or whatever it is you do up there.
>>>
>>> Up?
>>
>>
>> Its obvious he wants to scam them out of mental health care.
>
> Too late. He already has a terminal case of weenieism.

A country doesn't care for its people, if they don't make money then
they're not worth saving. That's the way forward, what's the worst that can
happen?
"Let the beast die."

LOL

As those DSP people, get them outa the back room and into politics I say!

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 03:57:32 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]. .
>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:06:59 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> If you have enough that it would "interest" the Canuckistanis, why
>>>>> don't you just spend your money on your health care. Why should
>>>>> everyone else pay your way? Typical limousine leftist loon.
>>>>
>>>> You draw conclusions from three sentences.
>>>> Typical arrogant moron.
>>>
>>>Yep, I thought he was even going to say the popular American chant -
>>>"Healthcare is for Commies!"
>>>Watch Michael Moore's "Sicko" and learn something, it will surprise you in
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>places.
>>
>> Now we know your IQ.
>
>It posted it for YOU.

Once again you show your IQ.

>Know something before you see it, eh? Hurrah!
>It has some facts despite his hideous voice. Did your wife have the French
>system at hand when she gave birth?

"It has some facts". Wonderful. Just wonderful.

>I know... you're going to jingle your big ring of keys and swan about the
>place - big men have big money and all the stupident (c)Vlad ideas.

You've totally lost it. Check into the mental health facility near
you *NOW*. At least they might be able to save those around you.

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 04:04:23 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]. .
>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:32:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>krw wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 16:08:58 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> >news:[email protected]. .
>>>> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:36:57 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> >>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>> >>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:45:15 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> >>>>>news[email protected] om...
>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:42:05 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> >>>>>>>news:keaj2555dt8l5rvfj2lk9ffs5t721kqcb4@4ax .com...
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:24:48 -0700, Rumpelstiltskin
>>>> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Better deal than the open door policy canada had in the past
>>>> >>>>>promising any dirt poor indian who would go there citizenship.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> ...and this has to do with your wish to steal from the Canuckistani
>>>> >>>> taxpayer, how?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>If you do not like canada's immigration policy ... protest.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have no interest in Canada's immigration policy, idiot.
>>>> >
>>>> >Then quit whining.
>>>>
>>>> Whining? I'm just showing you what a leftist thief you really are.
>>>>
>>>> >Throw one on the barbi for me ... or whatever it is you do up there.
>>>>
>>>> Up?
>>>
>>>
>>> Its obvious he wants to scam them out of mental health care.
>>
>> Too late. He already has a terminal case of weenieism.
>
>A country doesn't care for its people, if they don't make money then
>they're not worth saving. That's the way forward, what's the worst that can
>happen?
>"Let the beast die."

How about the people "caring" for themselves, rather than forcing
their neighbor to pay for their existence? The "beast" is (the
federal) government.

>LOL
>
>As those DSP people, get them outa the back room and into politics I say!

You are a loon. Seek help!

>

krw wrote:
>
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 03:57:32 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]. .
> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:06:59 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> If you have enough that it would "interest" the Canuckistanis, why
> >>>>> don't you just spend your money on your health care. Why should
> >>>>> everyone else pay your way? Typical limousine leftist loon.
> >>>>
> >>>> You draw conclusions from three sentences.
> >>>> Typical arrogant moron.
> >>>
> >>>Yep, I thought he was even going to say the popular American chant -
> >>>"Healthcare is for Commies!"
> >>>Watch Michael Moore's "Sicko" and learn something, it will surprise you in
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>places.
> >>
> >> Now we know your IQ.
> >
> >It posted it for YOU.
>
> Once again you show your IQ.
>
> >Know something before you see it, eh? Hurrah!
> >It has some facts despite his hideous voice. Did your wife have the French
> >system at hand when she gave birth?
>
> "It has some facts". Wonderful. Just wonderful.
>
> >I know... you're going to jingle your big ring of keys and swan about the
> >place - big men have big money and all the stupident (c)Vlad ideas.
>
> You've totally lost it. Check into the mental health facility near
> you *NOW*. At least they might be able to save those around you.


Its no wonder why the European Governments had to disarm all their
insane citizens.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:14:55 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:

>On Jun 7, 9:08*pm, CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> more often than their juniors. *Yet Medicare is highly efficient.
>> If extended to the general population it would be even more so. *
>
>It is an inescapable economic truth that any business or activity
>conducted at a given volume is less efficient when regulated than when
>unregulated, simply because the activity is required to pay for the
>bureaucratic layer.

You are assuming that regulation does not benefit regulated businesses
or their customers in any way, so the cost of compliance is the only
factor. I really don't think that is a given.

"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 04:04:23 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected] ..
>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:32:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>krw wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 16:08:58 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> >news:[email protected]. .
>>>>> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:36:57 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> >>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>>> >>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:45:15 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> >>>>>news[email protected] om...
>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:42:05 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> >>>>>>>news:keaj2555dt8l5rvfj2lk9ffs5t721kqcb4@4ax .com...
>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:24:48 -0700, Rumpelstiltskin
>>>>> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>Better deal than the open door policy canada had in the past
>>>>> >>>>>promising any dirt poor indian who would go there citizenship.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> ...and this has to do with your wish to steal from the
>>>>> >>>> Canuckistani
>>>>> >>>> taxpayer, how?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>If you do not like canada's immigration policy ... protest.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I have no interest in Canada's immigration policy, idiot.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Then quit whining.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whining? I'm just showing you what a leftist thief you really are.
>>>>>
>>>>> >Throw one on the barbi for me ... or whatever it is you do up there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Up?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Its obvious he wants to scam them out of mental health care.
>>>
>>> Too late. He already has a terminal case of weenieism.
>>
>>A country doesn't care for its people, if they don't make money then
>>they're not worth saving. That's the way forward, what's the worst that
>>can
>>happen?
>>"Let the beast die."
>
> How about the people "caring" for themselves, rather than forcing
> their neighbor to pay for their existence? The "beast" is (the
> federal) government.

So if you can't afford the surgery, then you deserve to die.

>>LOL
>>
>>As those DSP people, get them outa the back room and into politics I say!
>
> You are a loon. Seek help!

Why, thank-you kind sir! Excellent indeed.

"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
>
> krw wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 03:57:32 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]. .
>> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:06:59 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>> If you have enough that it would "interest" the Canuckistanis, why
>> >>>>> don't you just spend your money on your health care. Why should
>> >>>>> everyone else pay your way? Typical limousine leftist loon.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You draw conclusions from three sentences.
>> >>>> Typical arrogant moron.
>> >>>
>> >>>Yep, I thought he was even going to say the popular American chant -
>> >>>"Healthcare is for Commies!"
>> >>>Watch Michael Moore's "Sicko" and learn something, it will surprise
>> >>>you in
>> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >>>places.
>> >>
>> >> Now we know your IQ.
>> >
>> >It posted it for YOU.
>>
>> Once again you show your IQ.
>>
>> >Know something before you see it, eh? Hurrah!
>> >It has some facts despite his hideous voice. Did your wife have the
>> >French
>> >system at hand when she gave birth?
>>
>> "It has some facts". Wonderful. Just wonderful.


You criticise things you haven't seen -typical, model citizen in the making.

>>
>> >I know... you're going to jingle your big ring of keys and swan about
>> >the
>> >place - big men have big money and all the stupident (c)Vlad ideas.
>>
>> You've totally lost it. Check into the mental health facility near
>> you *NOW*. At least they might be able to save those around you.

Brilliant, and it won't cost me a thing.

>
> Its no wonder why the European Governments had to disarm all their
> insane citizens. :

Hmmmmm guns.... *rolls eyes*

> You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

Sure. ^ ^ ^
: )

Albert van der Horst wrote:
> James Arthur wrote:

>> Life expectancy is horrible measure for the effectiveness of health
>> care. Apart from servicing the very basics, like infection,
>> extreme, super-deluxe, ultra-quality health care measures don't much
>> cure the things that kill people in America.
>
> You must be kidding. Life expectancy is *the* measure for effectiveness
> of health care, second only maybe to child mortality rate.

No it isn't--you make a common, but wrong assumption. People can
die for reasons that have nothing to do with medical care.

For example, if you exclude the effect murders & car crashes the
USA has arguably the longest life expectancy of any western
nation.[1][2]

So, by this measure the US has a murder problem, not a medical care
problem. (Would better medical care prevent murders? Nope.)

Since suicides and murders are so often young people, they drag
down the average life expectancy disproportionately.

OTOH the leading medical killers of Americans are significantly
obesity-related.[3][4] If you eat your way to a heart attack,
you're not going to live as long, it's just that simple. And
doctors can only patch, not fix it--dead muscle doesn't come back.

So, life expectancy is the populist's measure of medical care, but
it's ill-informed.

Similar caveats apply to the infant mortality stats--demographics and
lifestyle choices give us /many/ more high-risk births, and we count
deaths that other countries don't.


Cheers,
James Arthur

~~~~~~~~
[1] http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_...ealthcare.html
"In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider
factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from
life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don’t die
in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western
country."

[2] Suicide was the 11th leading cause of death in 2006; murder
was the 15th leading cause (Centers for Disease Control).

[3] Cardiovascular disease #1, stroke #3, diabetes #7.
Also--certain cancers, hypertension, kidney failure, and other
complications.

[4] Here's a handy chart:
http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=584

[5] A decent overall discussion:
http://www.nber.org/aginghealth/fall07/w13429.html

CBFalconer wrote:
> James Arthur wrote:
> ... snip about prepaid health care etc.
>> I know you're an intensive user of medical services, and that
>> you'd rather someone else paid for it. You might be surprised
>> that in your case I agree. Yours is not the usual case though,
>> and doesn't convince me to socialized medicine in general.
>>
>> My main reservation is efficiency--our government isn't. It
>> already spends as much to cover ~1/3rd of our population as other
>> governments spend for universal care. If ours could do the same
>> with the same money, heck, I think I'd be for it! "Go ahead, do
>> it," I say. "You've already got the money, so get us the care.
>> Put up or shut up."
>>
>> But that's asking a lot from a government that's squandered all
>> the rest of the dough they've collected, borrowed even more, and
>> is obviously horrible with the healthcare money we give them.
>
> It takes very little to knock down your argument. Medicare. It is
> primarily concerned with the elderly, who get sick considerably
> more often than their juniors. Yet Medicare is highly efficient.
> If extended to the general population it would be even more so.
>

False, obviously. For what our government spends on Medicare (and poor,
but generally healthy kids), other governments manage to cover their
entire populations. ~1/3rd vs. 100%

How is that efficient?

Cheers,
James Arthur

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:56:35 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]. .
>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:06:59 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> If you have enough that it would "interest" the Canuckistanis, why
>>>>> don't you just spend your money on your health care. Why should
>>>>> everyone else pay your way? Typical limousine leftist loon.
>>>>
>>>> You draw conclusions from three sentences.
>>>> Typical arrogant moron.
>>>
>>>Yep, I thought he was even going to say the popular American chant -
>>>"Healthcare is for Commies!"
>>>Watch Michael Moore's "Sicko" and learn something, it will surprise you in
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>places.
>>
>> Now we know your IQ.
>
>Not seen it then? Ignorant child.

No, I really can't find your intelligence.

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:39:45 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]. .
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 04:04:23 +0100, "Duplic" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:k5pn25hebn8h9m5cpesdgdhdmaa5tf0l5n@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:32:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>>>> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>krw wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 16:08:58 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>>>> <rumpy@nowhere.biz> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
>>>>>> >news:9mql25hn3bllquunqdnroupe4lsri28urq@4ax.com.. .
>>>>>> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:36:57 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>>>> >> <rumpy@nowhere.biz> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
>>>>>> >>>news:4ngl25lb8b6pldkr65beip4qpeu5e108ld@4ax.com ...
>>>>>> >>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:45:15 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>>>> >>>> <rumpy@nowhere.biz> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
>>>>>> >>>>>newso9l25hpv0a4qmj6hco39mqvatani5srb2@4ax.c om...
>>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:42:05 -0700, "Rumpelstiltskin"
>>>>>> >>>>>> <rumpy@nowhere.biz> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
>>>>>> >>>>>>>news:keaj2555dt8l5rvfj2lk9ffs5t721kqcb4@4ax .com...
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:24:48 -0700, Rumpelstiltskin
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <rumpy@abc.biz>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>Better deal than the open door policy canada had in the past
>>>>>> >>>>>promising any dirt poor indian who would go there citizenship.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> ...and this has to do with your wish to steal from the
>>>>>> >>>> Canuckistani
>>>>>> >>>> taxpayer, how?
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>If you do not like canada's immigration policy ... protest.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I have no interest in Canada's immigration policy, idiot.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Then quit whining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whining? I'm just showing you what a leftist thief you really are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Throw one on the barbi for me ... or whatever it is you do up there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Up?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Its obvious he wants to scam them out of mental health care.
>>>>
>>>> Too late. He already has a terminal case of weenieism.
>>>
>>>A country doesn't care for its people, if they don't make money then
>>>they're not worth saving. That's the way forward, what's the worst that
>>>can
>>>happen?
>>>"Let the beast die."
>>
>> How about the people "caring" for themselves, rather than forcing
>> their neighbor to pay for their existence? The "beast" is (the
>> federal) government.
>
>So if you can't afford the surgery, then you deserve to die.

Stupid beyond belief.

>>>LOL
>>>
>>>As those DSP people, get them outa the back room and into politics I say!
>>
>> You are a loon. Seek help!
>
>Why, thank-you kind sir! Excellent indeed.

Do seek help. You need it.

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:06:23 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:45:52 -0500, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Getting the heck out of engineering school while he's still young!
>> >
>> >For some reason, this year I'm getting mail directly from the "help me I
>> >have a month to get my senior project done" crowd. I always start by
>> >pointing them to their prof/teaching assistant/tutor/whatever, but it's
>> >hard to decide just how much help to give these guys (none is too little
>> >IMHO, but I certainly don't want to spend _much_). (It's a bit too late
>> >to point out that it's a bit too late to be starting -- but then, senior
>> >projects are about learning things like when to start, I suppose).
>> >
>> >There needs to be a generic "So you need to finish your senior project"
>> >FAQ out there.
>>
>> Tim, You're wa-a-a-ay behind. I'm getting tons of "o-mi-gawd, I
>> can't find a job" inquiries. It's terrible this year... anyone
>> surprised ?:-)
>
>
> Not me. I get them too.


Yikes! Buddah help them if they are so desperate as to ask even
Terrellable.
If they don't pay attention in class, why should they be different on
usenet?
Mike, I know you are ubiquitous and can't shut up but...
Do you ever post ANYTHING helpful reguarding technology?

Maybe the help requests are just a new form of spam based on frequent
posters.

Walter Banks wrote:
>
> Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>> I was a full time student, but doing technician work part-time in MIT
>> Building 20. My wife was working for EG&G. We prepaid all delivery
>> costs, but the daughter, while full-term, weighed only 4#,12oz (wife
>> weighed 98#)... in Massa2shits that's preemie (*), even though
>> healthy, so Massa2shits held baby in hospital for 2 weeks... running
>> up costs. We had no insurance. Crazy leftist weenie state
>> Massa2shits wouldn't accept that payment would be made in June, when I
>> went to work for Motorola, so the state paid. Now looking back I am
>> thrilled that I stiffed the leftist weenie "commonwealth" of
>> Massa2shits (nee communist).
>
> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25%
> of earned income.

Ditto. My son was born at 26 weeks & 670gms. He's 8 years old now, &
healthy as a horse.

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