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Jerry Avins wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:

>> Interesting. I'm currently a junior at a ferociously expensive, third-
>> rate private college in NY (paying for a misspent youth by having to
>> finish my EE degree at the ripe old age of 35). I'm wondering how they
>> will assign projects here. I have a fairly good communications channel
>> to the dean of engineering and I might use this to try to sidestep any
>> canned projects to do my own - I have lots of R&D projects on the boil
>> at any given time, and I'd rather not try and slot in a toy school
>> project as well.
>
> It seems that you're ahead of me in the delay department. I graduated at
> age 30. There was a kid on the way when I went full time, and another
> just born when I graduated 3 years later. (It was all worth it.)
>

My #1 daughter was born when I was in grad school. Good financial
training for when they hit college--"Don't panic, it's not as bad as
when...."

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:35:35 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Jerry Avins wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>
>>> Interesting. I'm currently a junior at a ferociously expensive, third-
>>> rate private college in NY (paying for a misspent youth by having to
>>> finish my EE degree at the ripe old age of 35). I'm wondering how they
>>> will assign projects here. I have a fairly good communications channel
>>> to the dean of engineering and I might use this to try to sidestep any
>>> canned projects to do my own - I have lots of R&D projects on the boil
>>> at any given time, and I'd rather not try and slot in a toy school
>>> project as well.
>>
>> It seems that you're ahead of me in the delay department. I graduated at
>> age 30. There was a kid on the way when I went full time, and another
>> just born when I graduated 3 years later. (It was all worth it.)
>>
>
>My #1 daughter was born when I was in grad school. Good financial
>training for when they hit college--"Don't panic, it's not as bad as
>when...."
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs

Our #1 daughter was born end of January of my senior year at MIT ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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On Jun 4, 11:29*am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:

> Our #1 daughter was born end of January of my senior year at MIT ;-)

Hearing these stories is making me feel kinda reassured, since my wife
is making "children noises". Were either of you guys working as well
as going to school across this time? (Starting this fall, I'm
technically a full-time student - 12 credits - as well as working full-
time. Previously I was only doing 7 credits a semester).

[email protected] wrote:
> On Jun 4, 11:29 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
> Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>> Our #1 daughter was born end of January of my senior year at MIT ;-)
>
> Hearing these stories is making me feel kinda reassured, since my wife
> is making "children noises". Were either of you guys working as well
> as going to school across this time? (Starting this fall, I'm
> technically a full-time student - 12 credits - as well as working full-
> time. Previously I was only doing 7 credits a semester).

My job in the lab of a small company kept me from night school. (I had
to be at work when there was a crunch. A transfer to the assembly line
would have given me the freedom to duck overtime, but I liked working in
the lab.) All of my wife's salary and a good part of mine had been
banked, and we had enough for me to take a year off and go days. My boss
assured me that I'd have a job at year's end. (I called it the leapfrog
system.)

In the end, my folks and inlaws covered the rent and food after the
first year. I finished in three years and two summer sessions. Ann's
endocrinologist had told her that if she didn't get pregnant right away,
she would probably never conceive at all, so the first was on the way.
(We almost lost him.) three more followed in rapid enough succession to
that one year they were all in college.

Jerry
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On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:02:36 -0400, Jerry Avins <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Jun 4, 11:29 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
>> Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Our #1 daughter was born end of January of my senior year at MIT ;-)
>>
>> Hearing these stories is making me feel kinda reassured, since my wife
>> is making "children noises". Were either of you guys working as well
>> as going to school across this time?

I was a full time student, but doing technician work part-time in MIT
Building 20. My wife was working for EG&G. We prepaid all delivery
costs, but the daughter, while full-term, weighed only 4#,12oz (wife
weighed 98#)... in Massa2shits that's preemie (*), even though
healthy, so Massa2shits held baby in hospital for 2 weeks... running
up costs. We had no insurance. Crazy leftist weenie state
Massa2shits wouldn't accept that payment would be made in June, when I
went to work for Motorola, so the state paid. Now looking back I am
thrilled that I stiffed the leftist weenie "commonwealth" of
Massa2shits (nee communist). When driving out of the state I stopped
at the Connecticut state line, stood in Connecticut and pissed on
Massa2shits ;-)

(*) Completely screwing up my wife's ability to nurse her first baby
:-( Second daughter weighed 5#,6oz (in Phoenix), but I warned doctor,
anything keeping my wife from taking daughter home normally would
result in a scene he'd never survive. We went home ;-)

>> (Starting this fall, I'm
>> technically a full-time student - 12 credits - as well as working full-
>> time. Previously I was only doing 7 credits a semester).
>
>My job in the lab of a small company kept me from night school. (I had
>to be at work when there was a crunch. A transfer to the assembly line
>would have given me the freedom to duck overtime, but I liked working in
>the lab.) All of my wife's salary and a good part of mine had been
>banked, and we had enough for me to take a year off and go days. My boss
>assured me that I'd have a job at year's end. (I called it the leapfrog
>system.)
>
>In the end, my folks and inlaws covered the rent and food after the
>first year. I finished in three years and two summer sessions. Ann's
>endocrinologist had told her that if she didn't get pregnant right away,
>she would probably never conceive at all, so the first was on the way.
>(We almost lost him.) three more followed in rapid enough succession to
>that one year they were all in college.
>
>Jerry

We managed on our own. Second daughter born in December 1964, first
son in March 1970, second son in October 1972.

Now we have 8 grandchildren, from age 1-1/2 to 20 !!

...Jim Thompson
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| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

On Jun 4, 12:21*pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:

> Massa2shits (nee communist). *When driving out of the state I stopped
> at the Connecticut state line, stood in Connecticut and pissed on
> Massa2shits ;-)

For similar, though not exactly the same reasons, I too am no fan of
the Peoples' Democratic Republic of Massachusetts. Couldn't live in CA
either. NH is looking good

Thanks for the replies, it's good to hear I'm walking a pretty well-
trodden path.

Jim Thompson wrote:

> I was a full time student, but doing technician work part-time in MIT
> Building 20. My wife was working for EG&G. We prepaid all delivery
> costs, but the daughter, while full-term, weighed only 4#,12oz (wife
> weighed 98#)... in Massa2shits that's preemie (*), even though
> healthy, so Massa2shits held baby in hospital for 2 weeks... running
> up costs. We had no insurance. Crazy leftist weenie state
> Massa2shits wouldn't accept that payment would be made in June, when I
> went to work for Motorola, so the state paid. Now looking back I am
> thrilled that I stiffed the leftist weenie "commonwealth" of
> Massa2shits (nee communist).

Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25%
of earned income.

w..

On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:16:26 -0400, Walter Banks
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>> I was a full time student, but doing technician work part-time in MIT
>> Building 20. My wife was working for EG&G. We prepaid all delivery
>> costs, but the daughter, while full-term, weighed only 4#,12oz (wife
>> weighed 98#)... in Massa2shits that's preemie (*), even though
>> healthy, so Massa2shits held baby in hospital for 2 weeks... running
>> up costs. We had no insurance. Crazy leftist weenie state
>> Massa2shits wouldn't accept that payment would be made in June, when I
>> went to work for Motorola, so the state paid. Now looking back I am
>> thrilled that I stiffed the leftist weenie "commonwealth" of
>> Massa2shits (nee communist).
>
>Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25%
>of earned income.
>
>w..

And you wait in line ;-)

If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was
discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation.

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

Jim Thompson wrote:

> >Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25%
> >of earned income.
> >
> >w..
>
> And you wait in line ;-)

I hope the smilely means that you understand that isn't true. Around the time
you were having your first child in MA I lived in Saskatchewan the first
Canadian Provence that had a form of universal health care.

Saskatchewan demographics made it a special case, most people at the
time were middle class folks who owned family farms. In most things
this population was small c conservative that voted Conservative federally
(Republican) and NDP provincially (NY Democrat) Most local hospitals
were built as community projects. Doctors were paid incentives directly
and indirectly (free housing and some cash) to come to the community in
addition to normal medical fees. This was a provence that had a
population of about a million.

The AMA took out 2 page spreads in essentially every newspaper in
the provence for months to warn against what would happen if the
provence implemented a single provence wide health plan putting health
care in the same category as public schools. When it came to a vote it
passed by a small margin. The AMA ads set the debate agenda and
irked enough folks by its interfering in local affairs to put it over the top.

Forty five years later the system works quite well. If life expectancy
is a measure of the effectiveness of health care then the statistics speak
for themselves.

From a user point of view (I've lived in both US and Canada) it is
a health insurance system. Doctors have private practices and there
are walk in clinics for day to day care. (Walk in clinics are privately
owned for profit companies. In Ontario where I live most medical
lab services are companies that are private companies) Services are
paid by me presenting a health card and the providers billing for
services rendered.


> If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was
> discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation.

I understand that.

w..

Grant Edwards schreef:
> On 2009-06-02, FreeRTOS.org <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Tim Wescott" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>> Getting the heck out of engineering school while he's still young!
>>>
>>> For some reason, this year I'm getting mail directly from the
>>> "help me I have a month to get my senior project done" crowd.
>>> I always start by pointing them to their prof/teaching
>>> assistant/tutor/whatever, but it's hard to decide just how
>>> much help to give these guys (none is too little IMHO,
>> That really depends on how the question is asked. If its an
>> "I'm an embedded systems master and have an emergency, I need
>> to implement USB. Now I see USB but have doubt. How I
>> implement USB?" Then 'none' is definitely not too little.
>
> I sometimes get those sorts of e-mails (almost always from one
> of a small handful of Asian countries). The "student"
> apparently has absolutely no technical knowlege/skills, and
> always demands "please send me source codes" or requests
> step-by-step instructions on how to design something. There's
> obviously no hope for a poor kid who's managed to make it
> through 3+ years of engineering school without learning much of
> anything. They appear unable to even use Google, which raises
> the question of how do they find the e-mail addresses of people
> to whom they send questions? Sadly, I've learned to ignore
> those e-mails.

Funny that You already put "student" between quotes. I wouldn't be
surprised if the person who sends You the question is not a student at
all but a "programmer" at an Asian company that companies in the US and
other countries outsource programming jobs to ;-).

Yours sincerely,
Rene

On 2009-06-04, Rene <[email protected]> wrote:

> Funny that you already put "student" between quotes. I
> wouldn't be surprised if the person who sends You the question
> is not a student at all but a "programmer" at an Asian company
> that companies in the US and other countries outsource
> programming jobs to ;-).

If that's the case, then our jobs are secure.

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at CLOCK just went off ... It
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and full kitchen!!

[email protected] wrote:
> cincy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
.... snip ...
>
>> At my school, we were presented with a list of available projects
>> at the beginning of the year and were asked to pick the three that
>
> Interesting. I'm currently a junior at a ferociously expensive,
> third-rate private college in NY (paying for a misspent youth by
> having to finish my EE degree at the ripe old age of 35). I'm
> wondering how they will assign projects here. I have a fairly
> good communications channel to the dean of engineering and I
> might use this to try to sidestep any canned projects to do my
> own - I have lots of R&D projects on the boil at any given time,
> and I'd rather not try and slot in a toy school project as well.

Interesting. I am wondering if this is your own project or the
result of prodding from your recently added wife. I believe she
persuaded you to learn to drive :-)

Incidentally I went through roughly the same thing at roughly the
same age about 45 years ago. I didn't follow my wifes advice. I
didn't need it, since I was doing fine. I already had three years
of an honors mathematics and physics degree, so I had adequate
knowledge for what I did. About 25 years later I regretted my
failure.

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Walter Banks wrote:
> Jim Thompson wrote:
>> Walter Banks wrote:
>>
>>> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for
>>> everyone is 2.25% of earned income.
>>
>> And you wait in line ;-)
>
> I hope the smilely means that you understand that isn't true.
> Around the time you were having your first child in MA I lived
> in Saskatchewan the first Canadian Provence that had a form of
> universal health care.
>
.... snip ...
>
> The AMA took out 2 page spreads in essentially every newspaper in
> the provence for months to warn against what would happen if the
> provence implemented a single provence wide health plan putting
> health care in the same category as public schools. When it came
> to a vote it passed by a small margin. The AMA ads set the debate
> agenda and irked enough folks by its interfering in local
> affairs to put it over the top.
>
> Forty five years later the system works quite well. If life
> expectancy is a measure of the effectiveness of health care then
> the statistics speak for themselves.

Thank god for Saskatchewan. It lead to the present Canadian
medical system. Even the older people seem not to remember when
medical care was missing. My mother died 25 years ago, and was
simply a user of the system. She was complaining about her own
neglect in failing to have some problems checked, and the result
was a fatal cancer. Yet she was a highly intelligent mover and
shaker.

I left Canada just when the Sask system was coming into existance.

>
> From a user point of view (I've lived in both US and Canada) it is
> a health insurance system. Doctors have private practices and there
> are walk in clinics for day to day care. (Walk in clinics are privately
> owned for profit companies. In Ontario where I live most medical
> lab services are companies that are private companies) Services are
> paid by me presenting a health card and the providers billing for
> services rendered.

As it should be.

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Walter Banks wrote:
>
> Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>>> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25%
>>> of earned income.

Have you any support for that figure? European countries
pay roughly 8% of GDP, which would be a much larger % of
their earned income.

>>> w..
>> And you wait in line ;-)
>
> I hope the smilely means that you understand that isn't true. Around the time
> you were having your first child in MA I lived in Saskatchewan the first
> Canadian Provence that had a form of universal health care.
>
> Saskatchewan demographics made it a special case, most people at the
> time were middle class folks who owned family farms. In most things
> this population was small c conservative that voted Conservative federally
> (Republican) and NDP provincially (NY Democrat) Most local hospitals
> were built as community projects. Doctors were paid incentives directly
> and indirectly (free housing and some cash) to come to the community in
> addition to normal medical fees. This was a provence that had a
> population of about a million.

Sounds decent so far.

> The AMA took out 2 page spreads in essentially every newspaper in
> the provence for months to warn against what would happen if the
> provence implemented a single provence wide health plan putting health
> care in the same category as public schools. When it came to a vote it
> passed by a small margin. The AMA ads set the debate agenda and
> irked enough folks by its interfering in local affairs to put it over the top.
>
> Forty five years later the system works quite well. If life expectancy
> is a measure of the effectiveness of health care then the statistics speak
> for themselves.

Life expectancy is horrible measure for the effectiveness of health
care. Apart from servicing the very basics, like infection,
extreme, super-deluxe, ultra-quality health care measures don't much
cure the things that kill people in America.

By quality measurements (outcomes for a given condition), America's
care is better, albeit pricier ever since the gov. started
subsidizing it.

(ditto mortgages, retirement, college, food, ethanol, ...)

> From a user point of view (I've lived in both US and Canada) it is
> a health insurance system. Doctors have private practices and there
> are walk in clinics for day to day care. (Walk in clinics are privately
> owned for profit companies. In Ontario where I live most medical
> lab services are companies that are private companies) Services are
> paid by me presenting a health card and the providers billing for
> services rendered.
>
>
>> If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was
>> discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation.
>
> I understand that.
>
> w..

Note also that, even then, he got care, and it was free. And
it was made much more expensive (for the taxpayer) than needs
be, due to the lovely intervention of the State.

Cheers,
James Arthur

James Arthur wrote:

> >>> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25%
> >>> of earned income.
>
> Have you any support for that figure? European countries
> pay roughly 8% of GDP, which would be a much larger % of
> their earned income.

The bulk of the Canadian health care is paid for as a payroll tax paid for by
the employer that is based on 2.25% of earned income. There is some gray
area's in some of the capital expenditures and medical research and education.

> By quality measurements (outcomes for a given condition), America's
> care is better, albeit pricier ever since the gov. started
> subsidizing it.

America's care is better than?
I am not being argumentative, the question is the very best there is or the care
that is available to 90% of the population. I am not arguing that good care
is not available in the US, it is especially for chronic illnesses.

Canada has developed some very good health practices in dealing with
outbreaks of communicable diseases and disease prevention.

w..

Walter Banks wrote:
>
> James Arthur wrote:
>
>>>>> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25%
>>>>> of earned income.
>> Have you any support for that figure? European countries
>> pay roughly 8% of GDP, which would be a much larger % of
>> their earned income.
>
> The bulk of the Canadian health care is paid for as a payroll tax paid for by
> the employer that is based on 2.25% of earned income. There is some gray
> area's in some of the capital expenditures and medical research and education.

This article puts Canada's 2005 cost at 10.4% of GDP:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/pubs/...-depen-eng.php

>> By quality measurements (outcomes for a given condition), America's
>> care is better, albeit pricier ever since the gov. started
>> subsidizing it.
>
> America's care is better than?
> I am not being argumentative, the question is the very best there is or the care
> that is available to 90% of the population. I am not arguing that good care
> is not available in the US, it is especially for chronic illnesses.

By gross measure of total outcomes, e.g.:

--------------
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/561737
"August 22, 2007 — New reports from EUROCARE suggest that cancer care in
Europe is improving and that the gaps between countries are narrowing.
However, comparisons with US statistics suggest that cancer survival in
Europe is still lagging behind the United States."

....

"The age-adjusted 5-year survival rates for all cancers combined was
47.3% for men and 55.8% for women, which is significantly lower than the
estimates of 66.3% for men and 62.9% for women from the US Surveillance,
Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER) program ( P < .001).

Survival was significantly higher in the United States for all solid
tumors, except testicular, stomach, and soft-tissue cancer, the authors
report. The greatest differences were seen in the major cancer sites:
colon and rectum (56.2% in Europe vs 65.5% in the United States), breast
(79.0% vs 90.1%), and prostate cancer (77.5% vs 99.3%)[...]"
--------------

Cheers,
James Arthur

James Arthur wrote:
> Walter Banks wrote:
>>

>> I am not being argumentative, the question is the very best there is
>> or the care
>> that is available to 90% of the population. I am not arguing that good
>> care
>> is not available in the US, it is especially for chronic illnesses.
>
> By gross measure of total outcomes, e.g.:
>
> --------------
> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/561737

<snip>

> Survival was significantly higher in the United States for all solid
> tumors, except testicular, stomach, and soft-tissue cancer, the authors
> report. The greatest differences were seen in the major cancer sites:
> colon and rectum (56.2% in Europe vs 65.5% in the United States), breast
> (79.0% vs 90.1%), and prostate cancer (77.5% vs 99.3%)[...]"
> --------------


Oops, that link asks for registration--sorry...I got there from
Google.

The same article, information therein, and constituent reports from
EUROCARE and SEER are all web-available, from numerous sources.

Cheers,
James Arthur

On Jun 4, 4:51*pm, CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Interesting. *I am wondering if this is your own project or the

The school thing? No, that's really my project though my wife supports
it. The grand master plan for world domination, of which the school
thing is a part, that's inspired but not exactly prompted by my wife.

> result of prodding from your recently added wife. *I believe she

Recent???? I'll be celebrating my seventh wedding anniversary in four
months...

> persuaded you to learn to drive :-)

Yes Mind you, I got my license before she did!

> didn't need it, since I was doing fine. *I already had three years
> of an honors mathematics and physics degree, so I had adequate
> knowledge for what I did. *About 25 years later I regretted my

My grand master plan requires two specific pieces of formal
certification for which the BSEE is an initial requirement.

Walter Banks wrote:
>
> James Arthur wrote:
>
>>>>> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25%
>>>>> of earned income.
>> Have you any support for that figure? European countries
>> pay roughly 8% of GDP, which would be a much larger % of
>> their earned income.
>
> The bulk of the Canadian health care is paid for as a payroll tax paid for by
> the employer that is based on 2.25% of earned income. There is some gray
> area's in some of the capital expenditures and medical research and education.
>
>> By quality measurements (outcomes for a given condition), America's
>> care is better, albeit pricier ever since the gov. started
>> subsidizing it.
>
> America's care is better than?
> I am not being argumentative, the question is the very best there is or the care
> that is available to 90% of the population. I am not arguing that good care
> is not available in the US, it is especially for chronic illnesses.
>
> Canada has developed some very good health practices in dealing with
> outbreaks of communicable diseases and disease prevention.

A report from the WHO, now several years old, ranked US overall health
care 29th in the world, just behind Costa Rica.

Jerry
--
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Jerry Avins wrote:

> A report from the WHO, now several years old, ranked US overall health
> care 29th in the world, just behind Costa Rica.
>
> Jerry

Oh that's just silly. There's so much of that wrt this
topic.

Cheers,
James Arthur

On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:59:12 -0400, Jerry Avins <[email protected]> wrote:

><snip>
>A report from the WHO, now several years old, ranked US overall health
>care 29th in the world, just behind Costa Rica.

My uncle is a doctor who has, as well, worked within WHO for a few
decades now. Most of his years have been abroad, though he spends a
lot of time with his children who live here in the US (near me.) He
has a broad picture to work from and agrees roughly with the WHO
ranking (perhaps having participated in its methodology, one may
expect as much.)

Jon

Walter Banks wrote:
>
> Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>> I was a full time student, but doing technician work part-time in MIT
>> Building 20. My wife was working for EG&G. We prepaid all delivery
>> costs, but the daughter, while full-term, weighed only 4#,12oz (wife
>> weighed 98#)... in Massa2shits that's preemie (*), even though
>> healthy, so Massa2shits held baby in hospital for 2 weeks... running
>> up costs. We had no insurance. Crazy leftist weenie state
>> Massa2shits wouldn't accept that payment would be made in June, when I
>> went to work for Motorola, so the state paid. Now looking back I am
>> thrilled that I stiffed the leftist weenie "commonwealth" of
>> Massa2shits (nee communist).
>
> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25%
> of earned income.
>
> w..
>

Is there any chance of keeping this sort of discussion in
sci.electronics.design, and out of comp.arch.embedded (don't know much
about comp.dsp)?

comp.arch.embedded is a serious discussion group for people around the
world who are interested in embedded development. sci.electronics.design
is the personal blog of a group of retired, or soon to retire,
electronics engineers who consider Attila the Hun to be a "leftist
weenie". s.e.d. discussions can certainly be entertaining - I've joined
in a few in the past - but they don't belong here in c.a.e.

Walter Banks wrote:
>
> James Arthur wrote:
>
>>>>> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25%
>>>>> of earned income.
>> Have you any support for that figure? European countries
>> pay roughly 8% of GDP, which would be a much larger % of
>> their earned income.
>
> The bulk of the Canadian health care is paid for as a payroll tax paid for by
> the employer that is based on 2.25% of earned income. There is some gray
> area's in some of the capital expenditures and medical research and education.
>
>> By quality measurements (outcomes for a given condition), America's
>> care is better, albeit pricier ever since the gov. started
>> subsidizing it.
>
> America's care is better than?
> I am not being argumentative, the question is the very best there is or the care
> that is available to 90% of the population. I am not arguing that good care
> is not available in the US, it is especially for chronic illnesses.
>
> Canada has developed some very good health practices in dealing with
> outbreaks of communicable diseases and disease prevention.
>
> w..

I'm an USAer considering moving to Canada just for the healthcare.
Its a long time from 50 to 65 to wait for medicare while no one
will no longer hire you. I could retire in Canada.

What are the laws regarding foreigners and healthcare in Canada?

David Brown wrote:

...

> Is there any chance of keeping this sort of discussion in
> sci.electronics.design, and out of comp.arch.embedded (don't know much
> about comp.dsp)?
>
> comp.arch.embedded is a serious discussion group for people around the
> world who are interested in embedded development. sci.electronics.design
> is the personal blog of a group of retired, or soon to retire,
> electronics engineers who consider Attila the Hun to be a "leftist
> weenie". s.e.d. discussions can certainly be entertaining - I've joined
> in a few in the past - but they don't belong here in c.a.e.

So just kill the thread. With Mozilla derivatives, typing k when a post
is selected kills the whole thread.

Jerry
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David Brown wrote:
> Walter Banks wrote:
>
.... snip ...
>
>> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone
>> is 2.25% of earned income.
>
> Is there any chance of keeping this sort of discussion in
> sci.electronics.design, and out of comp.arch.embedded (don't know
> much about comp.dsp)?

It is dead simple. If you don't like it, simply PLONK the thread.
Then you will never see anything further. This is not like the
foolish arguments or sales pitches that keep appearing.

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