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Hello All,

Which is by far the best book in DSP?

Regards
Bharat

bharat pathak wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Which is by far the best book in DSP?
>
> Regards
> Bharat

The one I have in mind is only a smidgen better that the runner up, so
you don't want to know.

Jerry
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>bharat pathak wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Which is by far the best book in DSP?
>>
>> Regards
>> Bharat
>
>The one I have in mind is only a smidgen better that the runner up, so
>you don't want to know.
>
>Jerry
>--
>Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Hi Jerry,

In that case let us make it top 5.

Regards
Bharat

>bharat pathak wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Which is by far the best book in DSP?
>>
>> Regards
>> Bharat
>
>The one I have in mind is only a smidgen better that the runner up, so
>you don't want to know.
>
>Jerry
>--
>Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Hi Jerry,

In that case let us make it top 5.

Regards
Bharat

Let me begin with, mylist of top 5 books: Others are welcome to
agree/disagree add/delete to the list.

1. Digital signal processing : principles algorithms and applications
proakis and manolakis

2. DSP a practical approach : Ifeachor Jervis

3. DSP using matlab : Ingle and Proakis

4. Discrete time signal processing : oppenheim, schafer and buck.

5. Understanding DSP : Richard Lyons.

The above sequence is not in any preferrential order.

Bharat Pathak

"bharat pathak" <bharat@arithos.com> wrote in message
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> >bharat pathak wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Which is by far the best book in DSP?
>>>

It depends on what you're interested in. Some are better for basics.
Others for filter design. Others for communication system blocks. etc.

Fred

Let us concetrate only on DSP in general.

We will come to specialised topics later like
a. adaptive filter theory
b. filter design.
c. audio proc
d. comm theory
e. wavelet
f. image processing
g. etc.



>It depends on what you're interested in. Some are better for basics.
>Others for filter design. Others for communication system blocks. etc.
>
>Fred
>
>
>

bharat pathak wrote:

> Let me begin with, mylist of top 5 books: Others are welcome to
> agree/disagree add/delete to the list.
>
> 1. Digital signal processing : principles algorithms and applications
> * *proakis and manolakis
>
> 2. DSP a practical approach : Ifeachor Jervis
>
> 3. DSP using matlab : Ingle and Proakis
>
> 4. Discrete time signal processing : oppenheim, schafer and buck.

Who the heck is Buck? I like my O&S, 1975 edition. I also bought DSP
by P&M, which many people around here like. It's a bit more modern
than the O&S, and contains some additional stuff on statistics,
optimal filters (mainly predictors) and least-squares techniques which
should belong to the basics in DSP education (after all, DSP is about
data processing).

I don't know 2. and 3. from your list. For more advanced techniques, I
like Statistical DSP and Modeling by Hayes.

>
> 5. Understanding DSP : Richard Lyons.

Amen.

>
> * *The above sequence is not in any preferrential order.
>
> Bharat Pathak

Regards,
Andor

"Andor" <andor.bariska@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> For more advanced techniques, I
> like Statistical DSP and Modeling by Hayes.
> 5. Understanding DSP : Richard Lyons.

Rick's book is good. For more thorough explanations that don't
get too far over my head, I like Stephen W. Smith's "Digital
Signal Processing" a lot.

On 8 Feb, 10:50, Andor <andor.bari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (after all, DSP is about
> data processing).

No such list without Bendat & Piersol's "Random Data"!
That's the only book I know of which actually addresses
how to *use* general[*] DSP techniques...

Rune
[*] There is at least one on seismics (Yilmaz'
"Seismic Data Processing") and probably
a few on speech processing, but those
would be specialist literature for particular
applications.

World book fair is going on in New Delhi , could find lots of books ther
;-)

>World book fair is going on in New Delhi , could find lots of books there
>;-)

Rick,

If you are listening, this reply also calls for collectors edition.

Folks please wakeup, i am seriously interested in knowing what
other people read, who are experts in this area.

After my initial list of 5 books, i only got 2 new additions to the
list:

1. Steven Smiths : DSP
2. bendat and piersols : random data.

I have monsoon and hayes but i am yet to go thru it. It's kind of
strange isn't it. such a vast subject but less than 10 books to
qualify on the list.....

Bharat

"bharat pathak" <bharat@arithos.com> wrote in
news:mKOdnZ53QugUwDHanZ2dnUVZ_sOrnZ2d@giganews.com :

>>World book fair is going on in New Delhi , could find lots of books
there
>>;-)
>
> Rick,
>
> If you are listening, this reply also calls for collectors edition.
>
> Folks please wakeup, i am seriously interested in knowing what
> other people read, who are experts in this area.
>
> After my initial list of 5 books, i only got 2 new additions to the
> list:
>
> 1. Steven Smiths : DSP
> 2. bendat and piersols : random data.
>
> I have monsoon and hayes but i am yet to go thru it. It's kind of
> strange isn't it. such a vast subject but less than 10 books to
> qualify on the list.....
>
> Bharat

I'm good with most of the previous list. I have all of them except (my
O&S has no Buck). I also have Andor's addons: I never got much out of
Bendat & Piersol (my copy is 1980).

I would add a few more for consideration:

1. Digital Signal Processing in Commnication Systems - Marvin Frerking

Its not just a communications book

2. Introduction to Signal Processing - Sophocles Orfanidis

Another O & S competitor, I think easier to read with lots of audio
examples

3. Multirate Signal Processing for Communication Systems - Fred Harris

Fred Harris is a giant, I hold take a course from him if he was
teaching how to make spagetti. I always come away with something.

4. Streamlining Digital Signal Processing - Rick Lyons, Editor

Who doesn't like a trick's book? Half the articles were written by
guys in this group.


Al Clark
Danville Signal Processing, Inc.

bharat pathak wrote:
>> bharat pathak wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Which is by far the best book in DSP?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Bharat
>> The one I have in mind is only a smidgen better that the runner up, so
>> you don't want to know.

...

> Hi Jerry,
>
> In that case let us make it top 5.

Now that it seems you want a serious answer, you'll have to be a lot
more specific about your needs. What kind of answer would you expect for
Best Vehicle, Best Cookbook, or Best Math Text?

When you state your needs clearly enough, others will give you a better
answer than I can.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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On 2008-02-08, John E. Hadstate <jh113355@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 5. Understanding DSP : Richard Lyons.
>
> Rick's book is good. For more thorough explanations that don't
> get too far over my head, I like Stephen W. Smith's "Digital
> Signal Processing" a lot.

I just tried to look that one up and it helps to use "Steven Smith" (with
a v).

--
Ben Jackson AD7GD
<ben@ben.com>
http://www.ben.com/

Ben Jackson wrote:
> On 2008-02-08, John E. Hadstate <jh113355@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 5. Understanding DSP : Richard Lyons.
>> Rick's book is good. For more thorough explanations that don't
>> get too far over my head, I like Stephen W. Smith's "Digital
>> Signal Processing" a lot.
>
> I just tried to look that one up and it helps to use "Steven Smith" (with
> a v).

Do you know that it's on line in .pdf form? That's great for referring
people to particular passages. After I tickled myself that way for a
while, I bought a copy. I'm glad I did.

Jerry
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Well, as a general text on signals, etc. ... which is a great basis for DSP
I like Lathi, "Signals, Systems and Communication" It's a great read from
cover to cover and provides lots of insight into things that keep coming up
again and again.

Fred

On 8 Feb, 14:47, "bharat pathak" <bha...@arithos.com> wrote:

> * *Folks please wakeup, i am seriously interested in knowing what
> * *other people read,

If you read or browse enough *general* DSP books, you will
find that their main structure is almost the same, they
treat the same sujects in the same order. My personal
pereference is Proakis & Manolakis over the similar text by
Oppenheim and Schafer. That's because I used P&M in class
when I first learned DSP. It's a matter of personal
preference rather than a thorough evaluation.

There are a few texts, though, that somehow break with
the 'standard' patterns:

Bendat and Piersol: "Random Data" (2000) - Focuses on
how to use DSP methods and techniques to analyse data

Rick Lyons: "Understanding DSP" Focuses on those who do
not learn DSP in university, taking the presentation
to a level understandable to anyone

Antoniou: "Digital Signal Processing. Signals, Systems and Filters"
Focuses on filter design.

Oppenheim and Schafer "Digital Signal Processing" (1975)
One of the first in the field.

Apart from these and maybe a couple more, the variation between
books is mainly in the phrasing and in the details in examples.
If you have access to many books, by all means, read on, but
be aware of these main patterns. If you want to send hard-earned
cash on books, make sure you know why any particular book is
worth *your* money.

Rune

Besides Proakis and Manolakis, which I wish I had found when I was
starting out in DSP.

Fundamental of Statistical Signal Processing, Steven M.Kay
-Vol 1: Estimation Theory
-Vol 2: Detection Theory

Signal Theory and Random Processes, Harry Urkowitz

Not strictly a book, but a good CD (pdf) reference:
DSPedia: An A to Z of DSP, Bob Stewart

So with the Response from many people I see the following list emerging:

1. proakis manolakis (favorite of quite a few people, i think it is
rick's favorite too)
2. understanding dsp: Richard lyons
3. streamlining dsp : Richard lyons
4. Oppeinheim and schafer.
5. Steven Smith : DSP
6. DSP in comm systems : Marvin Frerking
7. introduction to signal processing : orfanidis
8. multirate signal processing for comm systems : Fred harris
9. signals systems and communications : lathi
10. Antoniou : DSP signals, systems and filters.

//------------- The list not in any preferential order -------

Thank you one and all for contributing extensively on this discussion.
The forum is still open for discussion. But for now, I think anybody
who is interested in doing extensive study, this list can be a
beginning point.

comments/suggestions and any new additions most welcome.

Best Regards
Bharat Pathak

Disclaimer : This excercise is not to find out which author is best
or which book is best. We have listed top 10 not in any preferrential
order. This collection is in general and larger interest of the group.

Arithos Designs
www.arithos.com

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:54:03 -0600, bharat pathak wrote:
> comments/suggestions and any new additions most welcome.

To that list I'd add Golub and Van Loan's Matrix Computations, the Kay
and Marple (or is it the other way around?) on modern spectrum estimation
(and maybe Van Trees on estimation in general, if you're game.) Also:
Hennesy and Patterson on processor architecture, Meyer on object oriented
software and something on operating system principles; maybe Tannenbaum.

[Those last pieces are sort-of self defence: one day I might have to
review or maintain your code. Being more-or-less clue-full about the
mathematics of signal processing is not the same as being able to write
good computer programs, although that is usually what is required to
complete a project. Have an understanding of the performance
characteristics of the algorithms and operations that you conjure, on the
platforms on which your code will run.]

Cheers,

--
Andrew

"bharat pathak" <bharat@arithos.com> writes:

> So with the Response from many people I see the following list emerging:
>
> 1. proakis manolakis (favorite of quite a few people, i think it is
> rick's favorite too)
> 2. understanding dsp: Richard lyons
> 3. streamlining dsp : Richard lyons
> 4. Oppeinheim and schafer.
> 5. Steven Smith : DSP
> 6. DSP in comm systems : Marvin Frerking
> 7. introduction to signal processing : orfanidis
> 8. multirate signal processing for comm systems : Fred harris
> 9. signals systems and communications : lathi
> 10. Antoniou : DSP signals, systems and filters.
>
> //------------- The list not in any preferential order -------
>
> Thank you one and all for contributing extensively on this discussion.
> The forum is still open for discussion. But for now, I think anybody
> who is interested in doing extensive study, this list can be a
> beginning point.
>
> comments/suggestions and any new additions most welcome.

I also feel P&M is my #1 choice, but close behind, and I haven't heard
this mentioned, is Mitra,

@BOOK{mitra,
title = "{Digital Signal Processing: A Computer-Based Approach}",
author = "Sanjit~K.~Mitra",
publisher = "McGraw-Hill",
edition = "second",
year = "2001"}

--Randy

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bharat pathak wrote:
> So with the Response from many people I see the following list emerging:
>
> 1. proakis manolakis (favorite of quite a few people, i think it is
> rick's favorite too)
> 2. understanding dsp: Richard lyons
> 3. streamlining dsp : Richard lyons
> 4. Oppeinheim and schafer.
> 5. Steven Smith : DSP
> 6. DSP in comm systems : Marvin Frerking
> 7. introduction to signal processing : orfanidis
> 8. multirate signal processing for comm systems : Fred harris
> 9. signals systems and communications : lathi
> 10. Antoniou : DSP signals, systems and filters.
>
> //------------- The list not in any preferential order -------
>
> Thank you one and all for contributing extensively on this discussion.
> The forum is still open for discussion. But for now, I think anybody
> who is interested in doing extensive study, this list can be a
> beginning point.
>
> comments/suggestions and any new additions most welcome.
>
> Best Regards
> Bharat Pathak
>
> Disclaimer : This excercise is not to find out which author is best
> or which book is best. We have listed top 10 not in any preferrential
> order. This collection is in general and larger interest of the group.

Successful work in DSP requires an understanding of fundamentals that
precede it in the usual order of courses. Misha Schwartz, "Information
transmission, Modulation and Noise" and Lathi, "Linear Systems and
Signals" are in that category. Ancient texts such as Everitt and Anner
"Communication Engineering" provide knowledge that makes the difference
between all-around competence and passable workmanship.

Jerry
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Hello,

bharat pathak napisa³(a):
> So with the Response from many people I see the following list emerging:
>
> 1. proakis manolakis (favorite of quite a few people, i think it is
> rick's favorite too)
> 2. understanding dsp: Richard lyons
> 3. streamlining dsp : Richard lyons
> 4. Oppeinheim and schafer.
> 5. Steven Smith : DSP
> 6. DSP in comm systems : Marvin Frerking
> 7. introduction to signal processing : orfanidis
> 8. multirate signal processing for comm systems : Fred harris
> 9. signals systems and communications : lathi
> 10. Antoniou : DSP signals, systems and filters.

my book list:
1. DAFX: Udo Zolzer
2. understanding dsp: Richard Lyons
2. multirate signal processing for comm systems : fred harris
3. streamlining dsp : Richard Lyons
4. introduction to signal processing : Orfanidis

regards

Roman Rumian

Think, that it is also worth to mention highly practical introduction to
DSP on Blacfin:
1. Embedded Signal Processing with the Micro Signal Architecture

and C55 processors:

2. Real-Time Digital Signal Processing: Implementations and Applications

Kind regards

Roman Rumian