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Hi all,

I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
channel in Matlab.
But i doesnt know how to do on that...
Can anyone here help me plz?

Thankz

disney_snoopy wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> channel in Matlab.
> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> Can anyone here help me plz?

That's a much more informative statement of what you want than your last
posting. What you should be asking for is a reference to the applicable
standard (Ignore HD to start.) I'd have to search for it, so I'll leave
that chore to you or anyone who knows. It makes sense to know the
details of what you are about to do before concerning yourself with the
details of how to do it.

A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

Jerry Avins <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
>> channel in Matlab.
>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
>> Can anyone here help me plz?
(snip)

> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.

I think I remember seeing in books external stereo decoders,
but I don't remember ever actually seeing one. Just like we now
have decoders for digital television, when stereo broadcasting
was new there would have been decoders to connect to mono tuners.

Likely hard to find today, though.

-- glen

On Nov 19, 9:23*am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> disney_snoopy wrote:
> > Hi all,
>
> > I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> > I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> > channel in Matlab.
> > But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> > Can anyone here help me plz?
>
> That's a much more informative statement of what you want than your last
> posting. What you should be asking for is a reference to the applicable
> standard (Ignore HD to start.) I'd have to search for it, so I'll leave
> that chore to you or anyone who knows. It makes sense to know the
> details of what you are about to do before concerning yourself with the
> details of how to do it.
>
> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

Hi Jerry,

U call me to ignore HD? what is HD?
I was trying to apply to Matlab is becoz i want to prove in
theoretical is able to produce this kind of component before i proceed
my further research for my practical...

thankz

On Nov 19, 9:45*am, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> >> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> >> channel in Matlab.
> >> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> >> Can anyone here help me plz?
>
> (snip)
>
> > A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
> > You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
>
> I think I remember seeing in books external stereo decoders,
> but I don't remember ever actually seeing one. *Just like we now
> have decoders for digital television, when stereo broadcasting
> was new there would have been decoders to connect to mono tuners.
>
> Likely hard to find today, though.
>
> -- glen

ya i agree... so i need to produce the RDS so that it will display the
FM channel and the song title and etc on the panel... before i proceed
to hardware, any comment on how to do in Matlab?
I know i can't tune in Matlab but i can substitute in a frequency and
look at the output in order to convince my project is correct before
proceed to hardware. AM I RIGHT?

Thankz for the reply... Comment plz...

disney_snoopy wrote:
> On Nov 19, 9:23 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> disney_snoopy wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
>>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
>>> channel in Matlab.
>>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
>>> Can anyone here help me plz?
>> That's a much more informative statement of what you want than your last
>> posting. What you should be asking for is a reference to the applicable
>> standard (Ignore HD to start.) I'd have to search for it, so I'll leave
>> that chore to you or anyone who knows. It makes sense to know the
>> details of what you are about to do before concerning yourself with the
>> details of how to do it.
>>
>> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
>> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> U call me to ignore HD? what is HD?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio

> I was trying to apply to Matlab is becoz i want to prove in
> theoretical is able to produce this kind of component before i proceed
> my further research for my practical...
>
> thankz

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

On Nov 18, 10:34*pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> disney_snoopy wrote:
> > On Nov 19, 9:23 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> disney_snoopy wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> >>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> >>> channel in Matlab.
> >>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> >>> Can anyone here help me plz?
> >> That's a much more informative statement of what you want than your last
> >> posting. What you should be asking for is a reference to the applicable
> >> standard (Ignore HD to start.) I'd have to search for it, so I'll leave
> >> that chore to you or anyone who knows. It makes sense to know the
> >> details of what you are about to do before concerning yourself with the
> >> details of how to do it.
>
> >> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
> >> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get..
> >> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>
> > Hi Jerry,
>
> > U call me to ignore HD? what is HD?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio
>
> > I was trying to apply to Matlab is becoz i want to prove in
> > theoretical is able to produce this kind of component before i proceed
> > my further research for my practical...
>
> > thankz
>
> Jerry
> --
> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

the best discussion i have seen on FM stereo multiplex is here:

http://transmitters.tripod.com/stereo.htm

Mark

On Nov 20, 1:40*am, Mark <makol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 18, 10:34*pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > disney_snoopy wrote:
> > > On Nov 19, 9:23 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> > >> disney_snoopy wrote:
> > >>> Hi all,
> > >>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> > >>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> > >>> channel in Matlab.
> > >>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> > >>> Can anyone here help me plz?
> > >> That's a much more informative statement of what you want than your last
> > >> posting. What you should be asking for is a reference to the applicable
> > >> standard (Ignore HD to start.) I'd have to search for it, so I'll leave
> > >> that chore to you or anyone who knows. It makes sense to know the
> > >> details of what you are about to do before concerning yourself with the
> > >> details of how to do it.
>
> > >> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
> > >> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
>
> > >> Jerry
> > >> --
> > >> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> > >> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>
> > > Hi Jerry,
>
> > > U call me to ignore HD? what is HD?
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio
>
> > > I was trying to apply to Matlab is becoz i want to prove in
> > > theoretical is able to produce this kind of component before i proceed
> > > my further research for my practical...
>
> > > thankz
>
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hidequoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> the best discussion i have seen on FM stereo multiplex is here:
>
> http://transmitters.tripod.com/stereo.htm
>
> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Mark,

I have read this website before.
What my question is "How to Create FM stereo from Matlab".
I just need help to generate the Matlab. IS it generate from fdatool
of Multiband? or can you all gv me some tutorial of the Matlab or any
hint from that...
Would appreciate for your help!

Thankz

disney_snoopy wrote:
> On Nov 20, 1:40 am, Mark <makol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 18, 10:34 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> disney_snoopy wrote:
>>>> On Nov 19, 9:23 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>> disney_snoopy wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
>>>>>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
>>>>>> channel in Matlab.
>>>>>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
>>>>>> Can anyone here help me plz?
>>>>> That's a much more informative statement of what you want than your last
>>>>> posting. What you should be asking for is a reference to the applicable
>>>>> standard (Ignore HD to start.) I'd have to search for it, so I'll leave
>>>>> that chore to you or anyone who knows. It makes sense to know the
>>>>> details of what you are about to do before concerning yourself with the
>>>>> details of how to do it.
>>>>> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
>>>>> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>> --
>>>>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>>>>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>> U call me to ignore HD? what is HD?
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio
>>>> I was trying to apply to Matlab is becoz i want to prove in
>>>> theoretical is able to produce this kind of component before i proceed
>>>> my further research for my practical...
>>>> thankz
>>> Jerry
>>> --
>>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> the best discussion i have seen on FM stereo multiplex is here:
>>
>> http://transmitters.tripod.com/stereo.htm
>>
>> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I have read this website before.
> What my question is "How to Create FM stereo from Matlab".
> I just need help to generate the Matlab. IS it generate from fdatool
> of Multiband? or can you all gv me some tutorial of the Matlab or any
> hint from that...
> Would appreciate for your help!

Matlab is a programming langusge. Are you saying that you want code, or
hints on how to write it?

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

On Nov 20, 10:20*am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> disney_snoopy wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 1:40 am, Mark <makol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 18, 10:34 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> >>> disney_snoopy wrote:
> >>>> On Nov 19, 9:23 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >>>>> disney_snoopy wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> >>>>>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> >>>>>> channel in Matlab.
> >>>>>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> >>>>>> Can anyone here help me plz?
> >>>>> That's a much more informative statement of what you want than yourlast
> >>>>> posting. What you should be asking for is a reference to the applicable
> >>>>> standard (Ignore HD to start.) I'd have to search for it, so I'll leave
> >>>>> that chore to you or anyone who knows. It makes sense to know the
> >>>>> details of what you are about to do before concerning yourself withthe
> >>>>> details of how to do it.
> >>>>> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
> >>>>> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
> >>>>> Jerry
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> >>>>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> >>>> Hi Jerry,
> >>>> U call me to ignore HD? what is HD?
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio
> >>>> I was trying to apply to Matlab is becoz i want to prove in
> >>>> theoretical is able to produce this kind of component before i proceed
> >>>> my further research for my practical...
> >>>> thankz
> >>> Jerry
> >>> --
> >>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> >>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hidequoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> the best discussion i have seen on FM stereo multiplex is here:
>
> >>http://transmitters.tripod.com/stereo.htm
>
> >> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Hi Mark,
>
> > I have read this website before.
> > What my question is "How to Create FM stereo from Matlab".
> > I just need help to generate the Matlab. IS it generate from fdatool
> > of Multiband? or can you all gv me some tutorial of the Matlab or any
> > hint from that...
> > Would appreciate for your help!
>
> Matlab is a programming langusge. Are you saying that you want code, or
> hints on how to write it?
>
> Jerry
> --
> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

ya... i try to use multiband from the fdatool. can I use that to
create my FM stereo from that? I mean is that make sense if i generate
it from multiband and said this is the concept of how to generate the
FM stereo from theoretical... or any filter to use to generate the FM
stereo will all component?

disney_snoopy wrote:
> On Nov 20, 10:20 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> disney_snoopy wrote:
>>> On Nov 20, 1:40 am, Mark <makol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 18, 10:34 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>> disney_snoopy wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 19, 9:23 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> disney_snoopy wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
>>>>>>>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
>>>>>>>> channel in Matlab.
>>>>>>>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
>>>>>>>> Can anyone here help me plz?
>>>>>>> That's a much more informative statement of what you want than your last
>>>>>>> posting. What you should be asking for is a reference to the applicable
>>>>>>> standard (Ignore HD to start.) I'd have to search for it, so I'll leave
>>>>>>> that chore to you or anyone who knows. It makes sense to know the
>>>>>>> details of what you are about to do before concerning yourself with the
>>>>>>> details of how to do it.
>>>>>>> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
>>>>>>> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
>>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>>>>>>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>>> U call me to ignore HD? what is HD?
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio
>>>>>> I was trying to apply to Matlab is becoz i want to prove in
>>>>>> theoretical is able to produce this kind of component before i proceed
>>>>>> my further research for my practical...
>>>>>> thankz
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>> --
>>>>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>>>>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> the best discussion i have seen on FM stereo multiplex is here:
>>>> http://transmitters.tripod.com/stereo.htm
>>>> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> I have read this website before.
>>> What my question is "How to Create FM stereo from Matlab".
>>> I just need help to generate the Matlab. IS it generate from fdatool
>>> of Multiband? or can you all gv me some tutorial of the Matlab or any
>>> hint from that...
>>> Would appreciate for your help!
>> Matlab is a programming langusge. Are you saying that you want code, or
>> hints on how to write it?
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> ya... i try to use multiband from the fdatool. can I use that to
> create my FM stereo from that? I mean is that make sense if i generate
> it from multiband and said this is the concept of how to generate the
> FM stereo from theoretical... or any filter to use to generate the FM
> stereo will all component?

You can't code something that you don't understand.Do you know about the
half-frequency subcarrier pilot?

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

disney_snoopy <[email protected]> wrote:

> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> channel in Matlab.
> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> Can anyone here help me plz?

What sample rate are you planning to use? If it is a multiple
of 38kHz it would be somewhat easier than other frequencies.

-- glen

On Nov 20, 11:20*am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> disney_snoopy wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 10:20 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> disney_snoopy wrote:
> >>> On Nov 20, 1:40 am, Mark <makol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Nov 18, 10:34 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >>>>> disney_snoopy wrote:
> >>>>>> On Nov 19, 9:23 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> disney_snoopy wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> >>>>>>>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> >>>>>>>> channel in Matlab.
> >>>>>>>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> >>>>>>>> Can anyone here help me plz?
> >>>>>>> That's a much more informative statement of what you want than your last
> >>>>>>> posting. What you should be asking for is a reference to the applicable
> >>>>>>> standard (Ignore HD to start.) I'd have to search for it, so I'llleave
> >>>>>>> that chore to you or anyone who knows. It makes sense to know the
> >>>>>>> details of what you are about to do before concerning yourself with the
> >>>>>>> details of how to do it.
> >>>>>>> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
> >>>>>>> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
> >>>>>>> Jerry
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> >>>>>>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> >>>>>> Hi Jerry,
> >>>>>> U call me to ignore HD? what is HD?
> >>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio
> >>>>>> I was trying to apply to Matlab is becoz i want to prove in
> >>>>>> theoretical is able to produce this kind of component before i proceed
> >>>>>> my further research for my practical...
> >>>>>> thankz
> >>>>> Jerry
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> >>>>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>> the best discussion i have seen on FM stereo multiplex is here:
> >>>>http://transmitters.tripod.com/stereo.htm
> >>>> Mark- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> Hi Mark,
> >>> I have read this website before.
> >>> What my question is "How to Create FM stereo from Matlab".
> >>> I just need help to generate the Matlab. IS it generate from fdatool
> >>> of Multiband? or can you all gv me some tutorial of the Matlab or any
> >>> hint from that...
> >>> Would appreciate for your help!
> >> Matlab is a programming langusge. Are you saying that you want code, or
> >> hints on how to write it?
>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get..
> >> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hidequoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > ya... i try to use multiband from the fdatool. can I use that to
> > create my FM stereo from that? I mean is that make sense if i generate
> > it from multiband and said this is the concept of how to generate the
> > FM stereo from theoretical... or any filter to use to generate the FM
> > stereo will all component?
>
> You can't code something that you don't understand.Do you know about the
> half-frequency subcarrier pilot?
>
> Jerry
> --
> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Did i said that i dun understand? I already coded in my title "Create
FM stereo from Matlab".
I doesnt said that i need help for the concept of the FM stereo.

On Nov 20, 11:26*am, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu>
wrote:
> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> > I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> > channel in Matlab.
> > But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> > Can anyone here help me plz?
>
> What sample rate are you planning to use? *If it is a multiple
> of 38kHz it would be somewhat easier than other frequencies.
>
> -- glen

Hi Glen,

For example my audio is 1kHz, my sample rate is 200kHz. And i plan to
create out my FM stereo till the 57kHz signal of my RDS.
Any help on that in my Matlab on how to write the code or by apply
fdatool?

Thankz

disney_snoopy wrote:
> On Nov 20, 11:20 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> disney_snoopy wrote:
>>> On Nov 20, 10:20 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>> disney_snoopy wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 20, 1:40 am, Mark <makol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 18, 10:34 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> disney_snoopy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 9:23 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> disney_snoopy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
>>>>>>>>>> channel in Matlab.
>>>>>>>>>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone here help me plz?
>>>>>>>>> That's a much more informative statement of what you want than your last
>>>>>>>>> posting. What you should be asking for is a reference to the applicable
>>>>>>>>> standard (Ignore HD to start.) I'd have to search for it, so I'll leave
>>>>>>>>> that chore to you or anyone who knows. It makes sense to know the
>>>>>>>>> details of what you are about to do before concerning yourself with the
>>>>>>>>> details of how to do it.
>>>>>>>>> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
>>>>>>>>> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
>>>>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>>>>>>>>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>>>>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>>>>> U call me to ignore HD? what is HD?
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio
>>>>>>>> I was trying to apply to Matlab is becoz i want to prove in
>>>>>>>> theoretical is able to produce this kind of component before i proceed
>>>>>>>> my further research for my practical...
>>>>>>>> thankz
>>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>>>>>>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>> the best discussion i have seen on FM stereo multiplex is here:
>>>>>> http://transmitters.tripod.com/stereo.htm
>>>>>> Mark- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>> I have read this website before.
>>>>> What my question is "How to Create FM stereo from Matlab".
>>>>> I just need help to generate the Matlab. IS it generate from fdatool
>>>>> of Multiband? or can you all gv me some tutorial of the Matlab or any
>>>>> hint from that...
>>>>> Would appreciate for your help!
>>>> Matlab is a programming langusge. Are you saying that you want code, or
>>>> hints on how to write it?
>>>> Jerry
>>>> --
>>>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>>>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hide quoted text -
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>>> ya... i try to use multiband from the fdatool. can I use that to
>>> create my FM stereo from that? I mean is that make sense if i generate
>>> it from multiband and said this is the concept of how to generate the
>>> FM stereo from theoretical... or any filter to use to generate the FM
>>> stereo will all component?
>> You can't code something that you don't understand.Do you know about the
>> half-frequency subcarrier pilot?
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯- Hide quoted text -
>>
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>
> Did i said that i dun understand? I already coded in my title "Create
> FM stereo from Matlab".
> I doesnt said that i need help for the concept of the FM stereo.

So what stops you from coding it?

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

disney_snoopy <[email protected]> writes:

> On Nov 20, 11:26Â*am, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu>
> wrote:
>> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
>> > I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
>> > channel in Matlab.
>> > But i doesnt know how to do on that...
>> > Can anyone here help me plz?
>>
>> What sample rate are you planning to use? Â*If it is a multiple
>> of 38kHz it would be somewhat easier than other frequencies.
>>
>> -- glen
>
> Hi Glen,
>
> For example my audio is 1kHz, my sample rate is 200kHz. And i plan to
> create out my FM stereo till the 57kHz signal of my RDS.
> Any help on that in my Matlab on how to write the code or by apply
> fdatool?

Your continued allusion to fdatool leads me to believe you don't
have a clue. It's like asking, "How do I apply a 9/16" wrench to
rebuild my engine?"!
--
Randy Yates % "I met someone who looks alot like you,
Digital Signal Labs % she does the things you do,
mailto://[email protected] % but she is an IBM."
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com % 'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO

glen herrmannsfeldt <[email protected]> writes:

> Jerry Avins <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
>>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
>>> channel in Matlab.
>>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
>>> Can anyone here help me plz?
> (snip)
>
>> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
>> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
>
> I think I remember seeing in books external stereo decoders,
> but I don't remember ever actually seeing one. Just like we now
> have decoders for digital television, when stereo broadcasting
> was new there would have been decoders to connect to mono tuners.

I've never seen one either, but at one time my dad had an old FM radio
that was mono but had a set of outputs at the back where one could
supposedly hook up a stereo decoder. He didn't have the decoder though.
The radio was tube-based, and dated from the 1950s, IIRC.

Richard Todd wrote:
> glen herrmannsfeldt <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Jerry Avins <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
>>>> I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
>>>> channel in Matlab.
>>>> But i doesnt know how to do on that...
>>>> Can anyone here help me plz?
>> (snip)
>>
>>> A matter of curiosity: What will you do with it once you get it working?
>>> You can't tune a receiver to Matlab.
>> I think I remember seeing in books external stereo decoders,
>> but I don't remember ever actually seeing one. Just like we now
>> have decoders for digital television, when stereo broadcasting
>> was new there would have been decoders to connect to mono tuners.

When stereo was new, large-scale integration was not yet a commercial
reality. Some tuners came with an output jack that allowed the
connection of a demultiplexer chassis (a tap before the preemphasis
filter) but I never actually saw one. People just bought stereo-capable
receivers.

> I've never seen one either, but at one time my dad had an old FM radio
> that was mono but had a set of outputs at the back where one could
> supposedly hook up a stereo decoder. He didn't have the decoder though.
> The radio was tube-based, and dated from the 1950s, IIRC.

Fisher?

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

On Nov 21, 12:17*am, Randy Yates <ya...@ieee.org> wrote:
> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> writes:
> > On Nov 20, 11:26*am, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu>
> > wrote:
> >> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> >> > I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> >> > channel in Matlab.
> >> > But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> >> > Can anyone here help me plz?
>
> >> What sample rate are you planning to use? *If it is a multiple
> >> of 38kHz it would be somewhat easier than other frequencies.
>
> >> -- glen
>
> > Hi Glen,
>
> > For example my audio is 1kHz, my sample rate is 200kHz. And i plan to
> > create out my FM stereo till the 57kHz signal of my RDS.
> > Any help on that in my Matlab on how to write the code or by apply
> > fdatool?
>
> Your continued allusion to fdatool leads me to believe you don't
> have a clue. It's like asking, "How do I apply a 9/16" wrench to
> rebuild my engine?"!
> --
> Randy Yates * * * * * * * * * * *% "I met someone who looks alot like you,
> Digital Signal Labs * * * * * * *% * * * * * * she does the things you do,
> mailto://ya...@ieee.org * * * * *% * * * * * * * * * * but she is an IBM."http://www.digitalsignallabs.com% * * * *'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO *- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yup Randy u r right!
If i were know how to do for the Matlab, then wont be here asking a
question for the Matlab clue...
Any help on that or tutorial of that? I found that here are not able
to attach picture if not i will attach the pic that what is the
outlook that i want.

Thankz

On Nov 21, 12:17*am, Randy Yates <ya...@ieee.org> wrote:
> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> writes:
> > On Nov 20, 11:26*am, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu>
> > wrote:
> >> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> >> > I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> >> > channel in Matlab.
> >> > But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> >> > Can anyone here help me plz?
>
> >> What sample rate are you planning to use? *If it is a multiple
> >> of 38kHz it would be somewhat easier than other frequencies.
>
> >> -- glen
>
> > Hi Glen,
>
> > For example my audio is 1kHz, my sample rate is 200kHz. And i plan to
> > create out my FM stereo till the 57kHz signal of my RDS.
> > Any help on that in my Matlab on how to write the code or by apply
> > fdatool?
>
> Your continued allusion to fdatool leads me to believe you don't
> have a clue. It's like asking, "How do I apply a 9/16" wrench to
> rebuild my engine?"!
> --
> Randy Yates * * * * * * * * * * *% "I met someone who looks alot like you,
> Digital Signal Labs * * * * * * *% * * * * * * she does the things you do,
> mailto://ya...@ieee.org * * * * *% * * * * * * * * * * but she is an IBM."http://www.digitalsignallabs.com% * * * *'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO *- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Please could anyone here help me on the Matlab?

I know how to plot for the pilot frequency.
But i doesnt know how to plot the L+R and L-R region on Matlab.

Please help me on how to plot those region.

Thank You

disney_snoopy <[email protected]> writes:

> On Nov 21, 12:17Â*am, Randy Yates <ya...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> > On Nov 20, 11:26Â*am, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu>
>> > wrote:
>> >> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
>> >> > I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
>> >> > channel in Matlab.
>> >> > But i doesnt know how to do on that...
>> >> > Can anyone here help me plz?
>>
>> >> What sample rate are you planning to use? Â*If it is a multiple
>> >> of 38kHz it would be somewhat easier than other frequencies.
>>
>> >> -- glen
>>
>> > Hi Glen,
>>
>> > For example my audio is 1kHz, my sample rate is 200kHz. And i plan to
>> > create out my FM stereo till the 57kHz signal of my RDS.
>> > Any help on that in my Matlab on how to write the code or by apply
>> > fdatool?
>>
>> Your continued allusion to fdatool leads me to believe you don't
>> have a clue. It's like asking, "How do I apply a 9/16" wrench to
>> rebuild my engine?"!
>> --
>> Randy Yates Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*% "I met someone who looks alot like you,
>> Digital Signal Labs Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*% Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* she does the things you do,
>> mailto://ya...@ieee.org Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*% Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* but she is an IBM."http://www.digitalsignallabs.com% Â* Â* Â* Â*'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO Â*- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Please could anyone here help me on the Matlab?
>
> I know how to plot for the pilot frequency.
> But i doesnt know how to plot the L+R and L-R region on Matlab.
>
> Please help me on how to plot those region.

Do you know how the spectrum is structured for a commerical
FM signal? What is your input signal?
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Digital Signal Labs % and those who hesitate
mailto://[email protected] % got no one..."
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On Nov 21, 12:17*am, Randy Yates <ya...@ieee.org> wrote:
> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> writes:
> > On Nov 20, 11:26*am, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu>
> > wrote:
> >> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
> >> > I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
> >> > channel in Matlab.
> >> > But i doesnt know how to do on that...
> >> > Can anyone here help me plz?
>
> >> What sample rate are you planning to use? *If it is a multiple
> >> of 38kHz it would be somewhat easier than other frequencies.
>
> >> -- glen
>
> > Hi Glen,
>
> > For example my audio is 1kHz, my sample rate is 200kHz. And i plan to
> > create out my FM stereo till the 57kHz signal of my RDS.
> > Any help on that in my Matlab on how to write the code or by apply
> > fdatool?
>
> Your continued allusion to fdatool leads me to believe you don't
> have a clue. It's like asking, "How do I apply a 9/16" wrench to
> rebuild my engine?"!
> --
> Randy Yates * * * * * * * * * * *% "I met someone who looks alot like you,
> Digital Signal Labs * * * * * * *% * * * * * * she does the things you do,
> mailto://ya...@ieee.org * * * * *% * * * * * * * * * * but she is an IBM."http://www.digitalsignallabs.com% * * * *'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO *- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

my input audio signal is 1kHz and my sampling freq is 200kHz.
Please help!

Thank You

disney_snoopy <[email protected]> wrote:

> my input audio signal is 1kHz and my sampling freq is 200kHz.
> Please help!

Generate sum and difference, generate pilot signal, generate AMSC
subcarrier with the appropriate phase, add all three together.

A little more complicated since 200 isn't a multiple of 38.

-- glen

glen herrmannsfeldt <[email protected]> writes:

> disney_snoopy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> my input audio signal is 1kHz and my sampling freq is 200kHz.
>> Please help!
>
> Generate sum and difference, generate pilot signal, generate AMSC
> subcarrier with the appropriate phase, add all three together.
>
> A little more complicated since 200 isn't a multiple of 38.

glen, even his specification is incomplete. The input audio should
be STEREO, i.e., left and right.
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Digital Signal Labs % and kiss her interface,
mailto://[email protected] % til then, I'll leave her alone."
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disney_snoopy <[email protected]> writes:

> On Nov 21, 12:17Â*am, Randy Yates <ya...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> > On Nov 20, 11:26Â*am, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu>
>> > wrote:
>> >> disney_snoopy <disney_sno...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I would appreciate if anyone here could help me.
>> >> > I was thinking to create a FM stereo with the RDS and L+R and L-R
>> >> > channel in Matlab.
>> >> > But i doesnt know how to do on that...
>> >> > Can anyone here help me plz?
>>
>> >> What sample rate are you planning to use? Â*If it is a multiple
>> >> of 38kHz it would be somewhat easier than other frequencies.
>>
>> >> -- glen
>>
>> > Hi Glen,
>>
>> > For example my audio is 1kHz, my sample rate is 200kHz. And i plan to
>> > create out my FM stereo till the 57kHz signal of my RDS.
>> > Any help on that in my Matlab on how to write the code or by apply
>> > fdatool?
>>
>> Your continued allusion to fdatool leads me to believe you don't
>> have a clue. It's like asking, "How do I apply a 9/16" wrench to
>> rebuild my engine?"!
>> --
>> Randy Yates Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*% "I met someone who looks alot like you,
>> Digital Signal Labs Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*% Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* she does the things you do,
>> mailto://ya...@ieee.org Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*% Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* but she is an IBM."http://www.digitalsignallabs.com% Â* Â* Â* Â*'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO Â*- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> my input audio signal is 1kHz and my sampling freq is 200kHz.
> Please help!

Why don't you back up and tell us what it is you're trying to do. I
mean, is this a class project?
--
Randy Yates % "Maybe one day I'll feel her cold embrace,
Digital Signal Labs % and kiss her interface,
mailto://[email protected] % til then, I'll leave her alone."
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com % 'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO