IEEE Explore

[Peter K.]

Hi All,

I have been trying (and failing, mostly) to use IEEE Explore to search
for articles etc. recently.

Has anyone else had problems?

I've contacted the IEEE (both member services and the ombudsman)
because I think the way it currently doesn't work is a tradgedy.

I would encourage any other IEEE members to also make their feelings
know.

If you disagree, please let me know about that too... maybe I can't
drive IE or Firefox?

Thanks,

Peter K.

[Rune Allnor]

Peter K. skrev:
> Hi All,
>
> I have been trying (and failing, mostly) to use IEEE Explore to search
> for articles etc. recently.
>
> Has anyone else had problems?

I don't even get to the ieee.org frontpage. But then, I'm browsing
via a very low capacity link.

Rune

[Scott Seidman]

"Peter K." <[email protected]> wrote in news:1159368463.315925.64320
@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

> I have been trying (and failing, mostly) to use IEEE Explore to search
> for articles etc. recently.
>
> Has anyone else had problems?
>
>

I haven't used their search engine, but I have gotten plenty of articles
off of Explore after Google Scholar (which is fantastic) pointed me at
them.

--
Scott
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[Peter K.]

Scott Seidman wrote:

> I haven't used their search engine, but I have gotten plenty of articles
> off of Explore after Google Scholar (which is fantastic) pointed me at
> them.

Yes, that' s part of my gripe: free services like Google and Citeseer
tend to do a better job than the search facilities on Explore.

They'd be better off just making the content available and cutting a
deal with Google for appropriate indexing and availability through
something like Google Scholar.

I don't want my member dues wasted on poor services.

Ciao,

Peter K.

[Peter K.]

Rune Allnor wrote:

> I don't even get to the ieee.org frontpage. But then, I'm browsing
> via a very low capacity link.

You're not missing much, unfortunately!

Ciao,

Peter K.

[Scott Seidman]

"Peter K." <[email protected]> wrote in news:1159369874.517505.208890
@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

>
> Scott Seidman wrote:
>
>> I haven't used their search engine, but I have gotten plenty of articles
>> off of Explore after Google Scholar (which is fantastic) pointed me at
>> them.
>
> Yes, that' s part of my gripe: free services like Google and Citeseer
> tend to do a better job than the search facilities on Explore.
>
> They'd be better off just making the content available and cutting a
> deal with Google for appropriate indexing and availability through
> something like Google Scholar.
>
> I don't want my member dues wasted on poor services.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Peter K.
>
>


The IEEE journals are already indexed at google scholar. There are options
for "library" patrons to automatically get links. Info can be found at
http://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/libraries.html. I suggest
contacting the IEEE electronic librarian with this info
--
Scott
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[Major Misunderstanding]

"Peter K." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
> Hi All,
>
> I have been trying (and failing, mostly) to use IEEE Explore to search
> for articles etc. recently.
>
> Has anyone else had problems?
>
> I've contacted the IEEE (both member services and the ombudsman)
> because I think the way it currently doesn't work is a tradgedy.
>
> I would encourage any other IEEE members to also make their feelings
> know.
>
> If you disagree, please let me know about that too... maybe I can't
> drive IE or Firefox?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter K.
>
It does work if you use to correctly.You need the right keywords though.

M.



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[Joerg]

Hello Peter,

>
> I have been trying (and failing, mostly) to use IEEE Explore to search
> for articles etc. recently.
>
> Has anyone else had problems?
>
> I've contacted the IEEE (both member services and the ombudsman)
> because I think the way it currently doesn't work is a tradgedy.
>
> I would encourage any other IEEE members to also make their feelings
> know.
>

IEEE has the unfortunate tendency to over-sophisticate just about
everything. I made my feelings known numerous times but it feels like
kicking a big oak tree. For example, about the virtual communities which
IMHO are a full-blown failure. Ok, now I am on a team there to evaluate
other options but my wish to at least try out a simple newsreader format
have not been heard :-(


> If you disagree, please let me know about that too... maybe I can't
> drive IE or Firefox?
>

Web services should work (and be tested!) with all popular browsers,
plus be tested for sufficient simplicity and low-BW dial-up connections.
Not everyone lives in broadband areas or can afford it. Unfortunately
that is not understood by many IT "experts". Certainly not at IEEE.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

[Peter K.]

Major Misunderstanding wrote:

>
> It does work if you use to correctly.You need the right keywords though.
>

Rubbish! I use the right keywords, and it doesn't show up items that I
know are in there.

The system is broken and should be removed; as Scott pointed out,
Scholar does a MUCH better job of indexing than IEEE does itself.

Ciao,

Peter K.

[Randy Yates]

"Peter K." <[email protected]> writes:

> Major Misunderstanding wrote:
>
>>
>> It does work if you use to correctly.You need the right keywords though.
>>
>
> Rubbish! I use the right keywords, and it doesn't show up items that I
> know are in there.

Peter, can you give a specific example and let me try on my end?
I'm pretty sure I'll get the same results - I just want to see
it for myself.
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[PARTICLEREDDY (STRAYDOG)]

hi,
peter yes i encountered the problem,
the funniest thing is that

it is displaying all seats are occupied currently (when i know that
nobody knows about my digital membership or membership password and
username) :-)

i heard that they are shifting to new storage and some upgrading is
going on, so may be that might be the reason.

particlereddy

[Peter K.]

Randy Yates wrote:

> Peter, can you give a specific example and let me try on my end?
> I'm pretty sure I'll get the same results - I just want to see
> it for myself.

Easy: when I click on a particular author after an author search, it's
about 75% likely to give me a page that says the functionality is not
available.

Though, as luck would have it, now seems to be one of the 25% of times
that it's working:

See, e.g.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/searchresult.jsp?disp=cit&queryText=(quinn%20b.%3Cin%3Eau)&valnm=Quinn+B.&history=yes

I've been hitting it a bit since the "Clements & Pease" thread a while
ago where Martin had a problem, too:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.dsp/msg/0f2b5eb9fded3310

Although when I try to log in, it's now saying "This feature is not
avaialble" !! What a waste of IEEE resources!!!

And EVERY article I click on seems to be downloadable... even ones
outside my subscription area. Most bizarre behaviour.

Ciao,

Peter K.

[Oli Filth]

Peter K. said the following on 28/09/2006 12:12:
> And EVERY article I click on seems to be downloadable... even ones
> outside my subscription area. Most bizarre behaviour.
>

Awesome! I don't even have a subscription nowadays, and I seem to be
able to download anything.

--
Oli

[Randy Yates]

"Peter K." <[email protected]> writes:

> Randy Yates wrote:
>
>> Peter, can you give a specific example and let me try on my end?
>> I'm pretty sure I'll get the same results - I just want to see
>> it for myself.
>
> Easy: when I click on a particular author after an author search, it's
> about 75% likely to give me a page that says the functionality is not
> available.
>
> Though, as luck would have it, now seems to be one of the 25% of times
> that it's working:
>
> See, e.g.
>
> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/searchresult.jsp?disp=cit&queryText=(quinn%20b.%3Cin%3Eau)&valnm=Quinn+B.&history=yes
>
> I've been hitting it a bit since the "Clements & Pease" thread a while
> ago where Martin had a problem, too:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.dsp/msg/0f2b5eb9fded3310
>
> Although when I try to log in, it's now saying "This feature is not
> avaialble" !! What a waste of IEEE resources!!!
>
> And EVERY article I click on seems to be downloadable... even ones
> outside my subscription area. Most bizarre behaviour.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Peter K.

Like you and Oli, I too can download anything.
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[Richard Owlett]

Peter K. wrote:
> Randy Yates wrote:
>
>
>>Peter, can you give a specific example and let me try on my end?
>>I'm pretty sure I'll get the same results - I just want to see
>>it for myself.
>
>
> Easy: when I click on a particular author after an author search, it's
> about 75% likely to give me a page that says the functionality is not
> available.
>
> Though, as luck would have it, now seems to be one of the 25% of times
> that it's working:
>
> See, e.g.
>
> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/searchresult.jsp?disp=cit&queryText=(quinn%20b.%3Cin%3Eau)&valnm=Quinn+B.&history=yes
>
> I've been hitting it a bit since the "Clements & Pease" thread a while
> ago where Martin had a problem, too:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.dsp/msg/0f2b5eb9fded3310
>
> Although when I try to log in, it's now saying "This feature is not
> avaialble" !! What a waste of IEEE resources!!!
>
> And EVERY article I click on seems to be downloadable... even ones
> outside my subscription area. Most bizarre behaviour.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Peter K.
>

I'll top you :)

I am not now, nor ever have been, a member of IEEE. [was a Student
member for a year or to in early 60's] Nor have I ever subscribed to any
of its online services.

I just downloaded a PDF of "Threshold Behavior of the Maximum
Likelihood Estimator of Frequency" by Barry G. Quinn and Peter J.
Kootsookos.

[Peter K.]

Oli Filth wrote:

> Awesome! I don't even have a subscription nowadays, and I seem to be
> able to download anything.

:-)

I received this as a (partial) response from IEEE:

] Dear Peter Kootsookos,
]
] Thank you for your email. We are currently experiencing some
] technical difficulty with IEEEXplore and are working to resolve
] the problem as quickly as possible.
]
] Our records indicate that a response was received from member
] services concerning your previous inquiry.
]
] If you have any other questions or if we can be of further
] assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.
]
] Sincerely,
]
] <Name Deleted>
] Member Services Associate
] IEEE Member Services

Ciao,

Peter K.

[Peter K.]

Randy Yates wrote:
>
> Like you and Oli, I too can download anything.
>

Thanks for the verification, Randy.

I've received a response from IEEE helpdesk saying that the site is
down.

I also sent a complaint to the IEEE ombudsman asking: who is in charge
of IEEE Explore, who do I complain about IEEE Explore to, and what can
I do, as a member, to help put things right.

We'll see what happens.

Ciao,

Peter K.

[Peter K.]

Richard Owlett wrote:

>
> I just downloaded a PDF of "Threshold Behavior of the Maximum
> Likelihood Estimator of Frequency" by Barry G. Quinn and Peter J.
> Kootsookos.
>

You poor sod. :-)

Ciao,

Peter K.

[Richard Owlett]

Peter K. wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>
>>I just downloaded a PDF of "Threshold Behavior of the Maximum
>>Likelihood Estimator of Frequency" by Barry G. Quinn and Peter J.
>>Kootsookos.
>>
>
>
> You poor sod. :-)
>
> Ciao,
>
> Peter K.
>

Just figured it would be a good test case.

PS. Didn't pay immediate attention to just what you quoted and presumed
commiseration was for having been a Student Member ;)

[Mounard le Fougueux]

Peter K. wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have been trying (and failing, mostly) to use IEEE Explore to search
> for articles etc. recently.
>
> Has anyone else had problems?
>
> I've contacted the IEEE (both member services and the ombudsman)
> because I think the way it currently doesn't work is a tradgedy.
>
> I would encourage any other IEEE members to also make their feelings
> know.
>
> If you disagree, please let me know about that too... maybe I can't
> drive IE or Firefox?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter K.
>
I have both a personal membership to the IEEE (SigProc and Comm) as well
as use the IEEXplore through my University.

The IEEE use to have a policy that if paid some small monthly amount,
you could download ANY IEEE article up to something like 15 articles a
month.

The NEW policy is that you can ONLY download articles directly related
to your membership.

For example; is yu subscribe to a basic Signal Processing membership,
you can ONLY download articles from the IEEE Isgnal Processing Magazine.
NOT The Trans of Sign proce.

To get access to IEE Trans on Signal Proc. you MUST UPGRADE your
membership to include that as well.

You still DON'T have access to any COnference proceedings or articles
from ANY other group !

To get an article from another group you're not subscribed to, you must
pay $15 per article.

....

when to try to access an article that you don;t have rights to based on
your subscription level, yo get to the IEEEXplere web page with youre
login info - you then need to follow th einstructions about paying
$15/article.

Now from my University, you can get a lot of Trans Artciles but almost
NO Conference proceeding, unless the University upgraded their service
to include those, as a very hefty price - so that almost no university's
have that (COnference proceedings) services.

........

The problem is not some temporary technical difficulty on their server
(though that is the excuse they're using) but their new policy to milk
their members when they try to get access to articles by the new IEEE
administration. Reduced services, increase fees. Not exactly an
engineering organization run by engineers for engineers.

The point of the new policy is to reduce fees to large institutions (who
control the board) and reorient their revenue stream to individual IEEE
members.

[Peter K.]

Mounard le Fougueux wrote:

> I have both a personal membership to the IEEE (SigProc and Comm) as well
> as use the IEEXplore through my University.
>
> The IEEE use to have a policy that if paid some small monthly amount,
> you could download ANY IEEE article up to something like 15 articles a
> month.

The policy is still in effect, but the amount was never "small" enough
to make me consider paying it as an individual.

> The NEW policy is that you can ONLY download articles directly related
> to your membership.

That policy has, to the best of my knowledge, always been in effect.
It certainly has for the last 5+ years.

What they _may_ have done more recently is unbundle some parts of the
society subscriptions.

> For example; is yu subscribe to a basic Signal Processing membership,
> you can ONLY download articles from the IEEE Isgnal Processing Magazine.
> NOT The Trans of Sign proce.

Yes, that's the unbundling.

<Snip>

> The problem is not some temporary technical difficulty on their server
> (though that is the excuse they're using) but their new policy to milk
> their members when they try to get access to articles by the new IEEE
> administration. Reduced services, increase fees. Not exactly an
> engineering organization run by engineers for engineers.

No, the problem has nothing to do with the subscriptions that I have or
don't have. The problem is that the IEEE Explore site is an
abomination. "Search" functionality has nothing (much) to do with the
level of subscription.

> The point of the new policy is to reduce fees to large institutions (who
> control the board) and reorient their revenue stream to individual IEEE
> members.

I don't see a major shift in their policies, so I don't think that's
the case.

Ciao,

Peter K.

[Viognier]

I have actively used the IEEE Member Digital Library for several years.
I've rarely had a problem finding any IEEE published article. And in
the odd event that I have had a problem, I've received prompt response
from their service desk.

It costs 35 USD a month for members of IEEE. You can download up to 25
articles a month. This includes all publications with some exceptions
(Standards, Letters and other items). Articles from journals that a
member subscribes to are free and do not count toward the 25 allotment.
I've downloaded articles from societies and transactions outside my
membership and this is not a problem.

-V

[[email protected]]

Viognier wrote:
> I have actively used the IEEE Member Digital Library for several years.
> I've rarely had a problem finding any IEEE published article. And in
> the odd event that I have had a problem, I've received prompt response
> from their service desk.
>
> It costs 35 USD a month for members of IEEE. You can download up to 25
> articles a month. This includes all publications with some exceptions
> (Standards, Letters and other items). Articles from journals that a
> member subscribes to are free and do not count toward the 25 allotment.
> I've downloaded articles from societies and transactions outside my
> membership and this is not a problem.
>
> -V

I have also used this service. I think Peters point is well made, in
that recently services have been apalling on the website. I've used it
happilyfor a long time until the last couple of months... it' SO slow
now.

[Peter K.]

[email protected] wrote:

> I have also used this service. I think Peters point is well made, in
> that recently services have been apalling on the website. I've used it
> happilyfor a long time until the last couple of months... it' SO slow
> now.

Just an update: I haven't received anything other than the auto-replies
to my e-mails.

Not very impressive.

Ciao,

Peter K.

[robert bristow-johnson]

Peter K. wrote:
>
> I haven't received anything other than the auto-replies to my e-mails.

maybe sombody should call them (and yell). i don't have any standing
in the IEEE (as in 0) so i ain't doing it.

r b-j

[Randy Yates]

"Peter K." <[email protected]> writes:

> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I have also used this service. I think Peters point is well made, in
>> that recently services have been apalling on the website. I've used it
>> happilyfor a long time until the last couple of months... it' SO slow
>> now.
>
> Just an update: I haven't received anything other than the auto-replies
> to my e-mails.
>
> Not very impressive.

Maybe Rick can exert some pull, being an editor for SP Magazine?
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